Border Patrol told to stand down in Arizona

[longeyes]

Appalling.

But a lot of us notice and a lot of us, more all the time, care.

Meanwhile, El Bush is too busy meeting with Central & South American honchos (CAFTA) to ensure the prosperity of other nations--not our own--to worry about such minor things as the border.

Okay, let's accept that this is going to get worse, a lot worse, before it gets better. But it will take a real jolt to wake up the sleeping. And no doubt that is coming.

 

[dasmi]

I can't decide which jolt would be worse. Another 9-11 magnitude attack against a border town, or open war along the border between the peaceful, hard-working migrants and American citizens.

 

[longeyes]

The GOP flacks keep trumpeting how the Dems are coming unglued, getting marginalized, etc.

Apparently, they haven't noticed that the GOP is also fraying, rapidly, around the edges.

More often than not, when you are sure as hell that things are going your way for the foreseeable future, you are way, way too complacent. That's how it looks with the Republican Party. In this case the Elephant is in the living room--and he's got a .45 up to his head. I think the '06 Congressional elections are up for grabs, along with GOP majorities.

The time for new parties is here. I think people are fed up with taxation without representation.

 

[longeyes]

Anyone seen Gomez the illegal alien Colorado copkiller?

Anyone?

Mr. Bush?

Oh, sorry, Bush busy with CAFTA, manana.

 

[mainmech48]

What we have here, IMO, is a few career bureaucrats posing as LEOs playing CMA. If the undoctored figures would imply less-than-stellar performance on their part (or undermine the political agenda of their masters) they can kiss that promotion (or even their place at the public trough) bye-bye.

The thought that there are sworn officers in the Federal service that are willing to put their own self-interest before the oath really burns my beans, but I can't say that it surprises me after Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the Elian Gonzales fiascos.

Did anything of real substance change as a result of public pressure in their wake? Did Lon Horiuchi or anyone else do any time as a result of their actions? Did anyone even get fired? Larry Potts got demoted; a couple of low-level shmucks got a harshly worded letter in their jackets....BFD.

But we can try, try again. Get some names and hold their feet to the fire as publicly and as loudly as possible!

Please, let's not let it take another 9/11. Don't ask-DEMAND that these people are removed from their positions and barred from serving in any LE capacity ever again!!

 

[RealGun]

PS...thats it, after being a Republican my entire life, supporting the GOP through almost all elections, locally and nationally, I am through voting for anyone in the GOP party. I am not a libertarian (don't favor open borders, legallized drugs and abortion), so I guess I am stuck with the Constitution party. - itgoesboom

One alternative is to try to take your party back from extremists. If you are attracted to the Constitution party, you should be happy with the religious right within the GOP. The Constitution Party is just sneakier or are disingenuous about what they really represent.

Just consider that it may all be about Rowe V Wade and the kind of thinking and related issues that puts a person on one side or the other. If and when that gets settled, we can get back to real politics and valid government issues. Then all you really have are those that want government hand outs and those who don't want to pay taxes that simply redistribute wealth. "Follow the money", and you'll be at the heart of most any issue, at least from a bread winner's perspective.

 

[itgoesboom]

fjolnirsson,

Checked out the link, and I agree with almost everything in that party. I might just have to get involved in that one.

BTW, you are in my neck of the woods, we should hit the range sometime.

I.G.B.

 

[itgoesboom]

One alternative is to try to take your party back from extremists. If you are attracted to the Constitution party, you should be happy with the religious right within the GOP. The Constitution Party is just sneakier or are disingenuous about what they really represent.

Never heard that said before, can I ask what you mean, and if you have any documentation on this?

About taking back the party, I don't think it is going to happen. The GOP has been sliding to the left over the years, and continues to do it today. With the exception of the Religious Right, the GOP has become so similiar to the old Democrats that I can't tell them apart anymore.

I don't think the Religious Right can continue to exist within that party.

Just consider that it may all be about Rowe V Wade and the kind of thinking and related issues that puts a person on one side or the other. If and when that gets settled, we can get back to real politics and valid government issues. Then all you really have are those that want government hand outs and those who don't want to pay taxes that simply redistribute wealth. "Follow the money", and you'll be at the heart of most any issue, at least from a bread winner's perspective.

Thats a good point.

When I look at a party, I base my viewpoint not only on the Religious debates, (including abortion), but also on many other viewpoints.

I will never find a party that 100% agrees with me, unless I was to found it. But there are issues that I am willing to let slide, that aren't that important to me.

There are only 2 things I won't let slide, and that is my Religious convictions and the 2nd amendment.

I.G.B.

 

[RealGun]

The concept of the following linked site is to define and build your own party.

The Third Party

 

[2nd Amendment]

Kind of the idea behind this linked site...

 

[El Tejon]

If true, sounds like grounds for termination of employment, or if this goes higher up, impeachment.

However, I hope this becomes a trend, especially at ATFE!

 

[dasmi]

It does go higher up. Anyone seen the president doing ANYTHING about the borders? Anything at all?

 

[2nd Amendment]

Does ignoring them count?

 

[dasmi]

Let me rephrase.
Have you seen the president to anything to strenghten the borders? To protect them? To secure them? I haven't.

 

[rick_reno]

Actually no, long time supporter of the republican party if we continue on present path I will vote against them. The hope of the Republican party is there faithful base will stay wtih them no matter how much they hurt you.

This response, and others like them to the Hillary poison pill are encouraging. I didn't vote for Bush in the last election and I've supported the Republican party since Nixon ran. If they manage to run more in the mold of Bush - they'll continue losing my vote too. If Hillary gets in - so be it.

 

[RealGun]

The Constitution Party is just sneakier or are disingenuous about what they really represent.

Never heard that said before, can I ask what you mean, and if you have any documentation on this? - itgoesboom

My take is that the party is much less about the Constitution than it is about being Christian. It is hard to read about the party and not think about the word theocracy. That may be what you are looking for. It wouldn't work for me. Check it out and see what you think, but make NO assumptions based solely on the name of the party.

 

[longeyes]

Have you seen the president to anything to strenghten the borders? To protect them? To secure them? I haven't.

Didn't Bush and Fox clear some brush together at the ranch? You don't count that? Be patient, help is on the way.

 

[possenti]

I'm really getting tired of this -

- "Vote-Republican-or-Hillary-gets-in" bullcrap.

Face it - Bush sucks. Hillary sucks more. Big deal.

The republican party dangles Hillary the Boogey-Woman in front of us so we get scared and keep voting for the same lame RINO leaders.

If anyone remembers, Bill Clinton did most of his damage during his first two years when he had a Dem majority. Any damage he did the next six years was with Republican assistance.

Yes, I'm saying that the Republicans should be punished. They need to understand that as long as they continue to aid and abet the liberal socialist Democrats, they will be voted from office. The only time I saw any hint of Republicans with balls was during Clinton's first 2 years in office.

We survived Bill. Bring Hillary on.

 

[Standing Wolf]

Yes, I'm saying that the Republicans should be punished. They need to understand that as long as they continue to aid and abet the liberal socialist Democrats, they will be voted from office. The only time I saw any hint of Republicans with **** was during Clinton's first 2 years in office.

The Republicrats are different from the Democans in name only. They're all a bunch of statist parasites.

 

[ken grant]

Politics

Poli= many
Tics= small,blood sucking creatures

 

[ken grant]

Politics

We are in a rapid downhill slide into a European type of socialism,one where the Government does't own everything, but where the Government controls everything.
The Dems tend to speed this up and the Reps. tend to slow it down.
NEITHER SEEMS TO WANT TO STOP IT.

 

[dustind]

I hope everyone in the country learns about this piece of government corruption. That is despite the fact that I am for open borders without welfare or any other aid.

 

[DRZinn]

I am through voting for anyone in the GOP party.

I don't think I can vote republican anymore.

I cannot support the Republican Party anymore.

I will not vote again for the "less of two evils".

Welcome!

 

[kwelz]

The idea that voting for a 3rd party or voting against a viable party to "punish" them is a good idea, is in fact quite erroneous.

There will NEVER be enough votes going towards the Libertarians, Constitution party or the Party of Gord to make them viable. The reason is quite simple. Enough people are happy with the current party's and think the other are a fringe group barely worthy of a good laugh.

Politics is, by nature, compromise. You have to try your best to do what is right and still please the majority of your constituents. Think of it like this. You are trying to sell a 1911. (Ok bad example you should never sell one of your babies, But anyway.) You are trying to sell a 1911 and want 700 bucks. The other guy offers 600 since it isn't quite the gun he wanted but is close. In the end you both agree on 650. Both of you get something out of the deal but neither got exactly what they wanted.

Well Welcome to Politics, that is the name of the game. Most of the 3rd parties I know of take a hard line on just about everything. This sounds great to a fringe group like us but to the mainstream It doesn't sound good. And remember, whether you are President Bush of the local City Councilman, you have got to please not only the people to the Far right or left, but also that huge majority in the middle.

I plan to run for office sometime soon, and I would love to be able to take that hard stance on all the things I believe. But the fact is that if I do, I will not win. On Guns, I can afford to, on some others I can afford to. But at some point will need to compromise. It sucks, but that is the nature of the beast.

 

[dasmi]

That's all well and good, but I cannot live with myself any longer if I continue to vote for the lesser of two evils. If Hillary wins, so be it. I shouldn't have voted for Bush this last election, but I did. If Kerry would've won, tell me, what the hell would have been the difference?