How long before Americans say *Enough*

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Okay, Pavlov got dogs to salivate when a bell was rung. Someone else got rats to push a lever to get food. It was soon found that the rats would keep pushing the lever even though the food reward came rarely or not at all.

Now, supposedly we a motivated for more than just food. Better than rats we are?

So riddle me this, how come we keep pushing the vote button when we get such dismal results?
 
Barabara, if you would be so kind as to delegate some of that pro-gun project to me I nwould gladly help as best I can, whatever the project.

That being said...

I am willing to bet that nothing will come of this anyway, but carping and moaning. Most lack the will to act, others know not what to do. Here is what I propose:

We have a very large body here at THR. Surely, together, we can think of something to do to make the people understand that we will no longer be pushed around...

Any ideas?
 
Oh, man..are you serious?? Cause I can do that..right this minute, I'm doing some research and it might even be something you'd enjoy doing!
 
I know, I know..I was just thinking of that the other day, but I got waylaid by another project that sucking up my life, plus my sister dropped another two kids in my lap (hopefully for a month and not 18 years like that last one!) I'll get it done, I promise!

:)

The other two are helping out, too but I'll shoot you some details and see if you're interested.
 
There is No Spoon is a genius. I just want to say that.

He found exactly what I was looking for..perfect!

:D

Hey, Jeff..if you have any time August 1st-6th, I could use some help then. Would be down in SE Michigan, so you'd have to travel a bit. I promise it'll be fun and very worth while! Great location, too, heh.
 
We have a very large body here at THR. Surely, together, we can think of something to do to make the people understand that we will no longer be pushed around...

Any ideas?
The only thing I can think of is starting another forum that deals with discussion of this particular hypothetical. I see a number of potential Smith Act issues involved in that, however, and have no desire to see my server cluster impounded as part of some "investigation." ;)
 
Barbara isn't being Pollyanna-ish about this at all.

There are actually people who want to run for public office because they believe in our Constitution. Unfortunately, neither party likes these people very much.

With enough help, though, such people can be elected.

WI state Senator Tom Reynolds is one such person. I met him for the first time in 1994, when I was steaming about the AWB. He was an unknown running against a liberal incumbent congressman. He attracted enough attention to get ~46% of the vote.

For the next three election cycles, committed volunteers went out and did the stuff that 99% of the population doesn't want to spend time doing: distributing literature door to door, dropping off yard signs, organizing fund-raisers, etc.

In 2002, Reynolds decided to run for state senate against an incumbent Republican. The Republican Party tried to axe him, but his volunteer base persevered, and he won both the primary and the general election.

He's now a thorn in the side of the powers-that-be in the party in Madison because he votes his conscience and his principles. I doubt there's even one vote he's cast that the majority of THR members would disagree with.

But it took hundreds of volunteers to get one such man into office. People who spent their weekends working on a campaign rather than shooting or playing golf.

As anyone who's tried to organize volunteers will attest, getting good ones is an excrutiatingly difficult exercise. But, once you have them, they're good as gold.

Back to the original question, though: I don't think the majority of Americans will ever say "enough." Few people know more about the real news than what they see in a few minutes of "happy talk" on the local news. Newspaper readership is at an all-time low.

Go out on the street and ask people to name at least two SC justices.

The good news for us is that such ignorance can play into our hands if we work for the right candidate. The bad news is that the majority of the public doesn't vote based on principles or the Constitution. It votes based on what's in it for them.

Even more frightening is that the public votes based on the candidate's appearance. A recent study analyzed the appearance of winners versus losers in scores of nationwide campaigns, and found common physical characteristics. I guess ol' Abe Lincoln would be out of the question today.

With the aging of the Baby Boomers and the surprisingly conservative positions taken by many younger voters, we're seeing a turn toward more traditional values. Whether that continues, who knows?

But I'm not ready to count out the political process just yet.
 
We here may not agree with that but if this group becomes the majority and freely votes to further this then technically we as a minority are obliged to follow are we not.

NO! Our forefathers instituted a republic, not MOB RULE. This very contingency is WHY we have seperated powers and a written constitution that puts certain things "off limits". Unfortunately, the system is fatally broke - I fear on ly brave men with arms can restore it.
 
I E-mailed my Senators and Congressmen

I called them today. Next they are getting letters. I talked with Congressman Shimkus office. I had heard a rumor that he was going to run for Governer of Illinois. He is the kind of man we want in office. I phoned him, Thanked him for his standing for our constitutional rights, Asked him to help remove the liberal 5 from the Supreme court, then volunteered my services/money should he run for governer. Barbara. I not much on research but If I can help I will give it a try.
 
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