El Tejon
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What's an "FP"?
how many DOCTORS are CCW?
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I'm a med student with a CCW here in NC. I cannot legally carry into the hospital because it is on a university campus, but I carry in legal places. I believe a doctor who's afraid of guns suffers the same irrational/emotional reaction as anyone else who's afraid of guns. The ones who believe gun control will lessen the number of GSWs they have to stitch up haven't really stopped to think about who is causing those GSWs and where they probably got their firearms.
I'm a med student with a CCW here in NC. I cannot legally carry into the hospital because it is on a university campus, but I carry in legal places. I believe a doctor who's afraid of guns suffers the same irrational/emotional reaction as anyone else who's afraid of guns. The ones who believe gun control will lessen the number of GSWs they have to stitch up haven't really stopped to think about who is causing those GSWs and where they probably got their firearms.
LeonCarr
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One of my former doctors is a big gun guy (we were members of the same gun club) and would neither confirm or deny that he carried a Glock 23 loaded with Hydra-Shoks while seeing patients in his office.
Just my .02,
LeonCarr
that he carried a Glock 23 loaded with Hydra-Shoks while seeing patients in his office.Just my .02,
LeonCarr
Snarlingiron
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My wife is an RN. The hospital where she works does not allow any firearms on the premisis, including hospital owned parking lots (They have signeage to that effect, as well as improper 30-06 signs on all doors). I suggested to her the other day that I get her a pepper spray unit at the very least. Nope, that too is a fireable offense. Where she works, all you can do if confronted by emminent death is roll over and pee on yourself. I had opportunity to take my son to their emergency room recently, and I had to park about 1/2 mile away on the street, and lock my pistol in the trunk before I could join him in the emergency room.
HK G3
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Well I just registered here, and I guess this is an odd first post, but I must say I'm happy to learn that a lot of docs support the 2nd Amendment, because I would not have guessed it prior to reading this thread! I'm a medical student, and do not CCW, but am planning on eventually getting one at some point. Since I don't actually own any pistols, figured there would be no point yet.
One of the things that really surprised me, was that on the first day of learning how to conduct patient interviews prior to physical exams, they instructed us that during the "High Risk Behaviors" section of the interview, we are required to ask every patient if they own a gun, and if they say yes, ask them multiple questions about whether or not it's locked up, and try to make them feel bad for owning one, and try to convince them to store the gun unloaded, in a safe, with a trigger lock, and move all the ammunition out of magazines and somewhere far away. While that may protect kids at the home (if they have any) I fail to see how this would help individuals living in crime infested regions from rapists or home invaders.
The general view that my classmates have towards guns is rather sad as well. When practicing the interview with actors, one of them pretended to have a gun at home, and carry. When one of my classmates asked them the gun question, and the old actress said she had a gun, and carried it with her in her purse, he was visible shaken by this, even though it was an actress and nothing she was saying was real! He had to collect himself for a bit before doing the standard "lock trigger, remove ammo, lock in safe, don't carry" routine, which btw, if we don't do, they grade us down for.
One of the things that really surprised me, was that on the first day of learning how to conduct patient interviews prior to physical exams, they instructed us that during the "High Risk Behaviors" section of the interview, we are required to ask every patient if they own a gun, and if they say yes, ask them multiple questions about whether or not it's locked up, and try to make them feel bad for owning one, and try to convince them to store the gun unloaded, in a safe, with a trigger lock, and move all the ammunition out of magazines and somewhere far away. While that may protect kids at the home (if they have any) I fail to see how this would help individuals living in crime infested regions from rapists or home invaders.
The general view that my classmates have towards guns is rather sad as well. When practicing the interview with actors, one of them pretended to have a gun at home, and carry. When one of my classmates asked them the gun question, and the old actress said she had a gun, and carried it with her in her purse, he was visible shaken by this, even though it was an actress and nothing she was saying was real! He had to collect himself for a bit before doing the standard "lock trigger, remove ammo, lock in safe, don't carry" routine, which btw, if we don't do, they grade us down for.
I also disliked that portion of our curriculum. They didn't place HEAVY emphasis on it, but we were told to at least ask. Personally, if a patient of mine has kids and guns, my only question will be "have you taught them gun safety and marksmanship skills yet?" If the answer is yes, I will tell them to rock on.
The part that has pissed me off the most was the "domestic abuse day" where they told us that under no circumstances should a battered woman purchase a gun because it will be taken from her and used against her. :banghead:
SOME of my classmates know that I shoot, but I have to be careful about revealing that. I've had some fairly vocal "debates" with some of them over the value of firearms.
The part that has pissed me off the most was the "domestic abuse day" where they told us that under no circumstances should a battered woman purchase a gun because it will be taken from her and used against her.
:banghead:SOME of my classmates know that I shoot, but I have to be careful about revealing that. I've had some fairly vocal "debates" with some of them over the value of firearms.
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I'm a freshman in college right now, but I am working on becoming a doctor. Way before that happens, however, I'll be obtaining my CHL when I turn 21.
mokin
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Attitudes around 2A aside, what about "safety" issues around MRI (and other electro-magnetic field generating) equipment and accidental discharges while carrying with one in the chamber? It seemes like I read something about this possibility with double action autos and Glocks, especially those with light/short trigger pulls. Has anybody else heard something along these lines?
Thernlund
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And what is that exactly? To heal I expect you'll say. A gun, on the other hand, is to protect. Not to harm, as I expect you think.
One thing has nothing to do with the other. I find your comment to be rather ignorant.
What would the action have to do with anything relating to a magnetic field?
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Most of the Docs I work with are pro 2A and I know of at least 4 that have CC permits and are avid hunters/IDPA shooters. Part of our morning meetings cover topics such as these...and the patients of course. Then again we are in Texas.
The Bushmaster
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Aah but cornman...Jesus did advicate self defence and several of his deciples carried swords...
12131
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A doctor is a human being, just like you. If you want to be sheep, that's fine, that's your choice. But, I'll be damned if I'll let any criminals attempting to harm me, or my loved ones. Not if I can do something about it.
Autolycus
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Jesus was not an advocate of self defense. He was a very adamant pacifist and disliked the idea of violence. Not to mention his actions illustrate this.
Thernlund
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Thread tanking. Lock imminent.
-T.
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Packman
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moving back on topic, my friends dad is a heart surgeon in FL and has a CCW, but I don't know when or where he carries.
Nice guy. I'd trust him to work on my heart, I guess. At least I know he understands some of the concepts I hold dear.
Nice guy. I'd trust him to work on my heart, I guess. At least I know he understands some of the concepts I hold dear.
Feanaro
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Living is contrary to what a Doctor is supposed to do? To deny them self preservation because they heal others is... I can't think of suitable High Road words.
TimboKhan
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My favorite doctor I have ever had not only carried but used to get his .50 cal reloading supplies sent to the office! His brother was a lawyer and actually helped write some of the right to carry legislation here in the state. He would still be my doctor if it weren't for the fact that working for a jerk wore him down, and he finally quit the VA.
For a short, informative look at the Jesus and SD argument, check this link. It gives the essential positions of both sides of the argument.
http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/qselfdefense.html
For a short, informative look at the Jesus and SD argument, check this link. It gives the essential positions of both sides of the argument.
http://home.earthlink.net/~ronrhodes/qselfdefense.html
porkysan
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Quote:
Attitudes around 2A aside, what about "safety" issues around MRI (and other electro-magnetic field generating) equipment and accidental discharges while carrying with one in the chamber? It seemes like I read something about this possibility with double action autos and Glocks, especially those with light/short trigger pulls. Has anybody else heard something along these lines?
What would the action have to do with anything relating to a magnetic field?
Actually there was quite an interesting article which was published in the last few years in some medical journal - radiology related. It was a case report of a 1911, cocked, with thumb safety in place, which discharged after a police officer carried it into an MRI suite and lost control of the weapon. The article was obviously written by someone with a background in weapons/ understanding of the mechanisms at work in a SA 1911/ understanding of how the safeties work.
What was interesting was the way in which the 1911 discharged in the magnetic field of the MRI. The field pulled the firing pin of the weapon into the primer with enough force to ignite it. It did this despite being "on safe" . The hammer did not drop. The grip safety was not depressed.
After one round discharged, the weapon did not cycle, as the slide was caught by the thumb safety.
It's such an outlandish series of events as to seem impossible, but apparently did happen.
I'll try to find a link to the article and post it up.
Attitudes around 2A aside, what about "safety" issues around MRI (and other electro-magnetic field generating) equipment and accidental discharges while carrying with one in the chamber? It seemes like I read something about this possibility with double action autos and Glocks, especially those with light/short trigger pulls. Has anybody else heard something along these lines?
What would the action have to do with anything relating to a magnetic field?
Actually there was quite an interesting article which was published in the last few years in some medical journal - radiology related. It was a case report of a 1911, cocked, with thumb safety in place, which discharged after a police officer carried it into an MRI suite and lost control of the weapon. The article was obviously written by someone with a background in weapons/ understanding of the mechanisms at work in a SA 1911/ understanding of how the safeties work.
What was interesting was the way in which the 1911 discharged in the magnetic field of the MRI. The field pulled the firing pin of the weapon into the primer with enough force to ignite it. It did this despite being "on safe" . The hammer did not drop. The grip safety was not depressed.
After one round discharged, the weapon did not cycle, as the slide was caught by the thumb safety.
It's such an outlandish series of events as to seem impossible, but apparently did happen.
I'll try to find a link to the article and post it up.
porkysan
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Link to the article - http://www.ajronline.org/cgi/content/full/178/5/1092
Link to THR discussion of said article - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=240590
Link to THR discussion of said article - http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=240590
porkysan
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Back on topic....4th year medical student, I carry as often as possible, but off limits inside the hospital.
The notion that a physician would be any less of a physician if he carried a weapon is foolish at best.
The notion that a physician would be any less of a physician if he carried a weapon is foolish at best.
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