How many of you have kids in college?

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I am a student at a religous based university in a very small and unique town in an very conservitive area. and I honestly feel this is not likley to ever see a "mass shooting" here. (but I bet that's what everybody thought untill the first shots were heard, everwhere there has been a shooting) but this thread inspires me to go in and ask them, "What is the plan?"
 
RIGHT!

The more folks over the next few days who inquire as to a plan, or "what are you doing to make me/my kids safe?" the better.

MAYBE some of them will actually think of armed students/faculty as first responders... Maybe.

Not all that likely. But on the second wave, we actually ask "Hey, why can't my daughter/son/wife/whatever carry a legal concealed weapon? You don't seem to be able to provide security, so I want them to be able to protect themselves."

It's not about the constitution. It's not about the second amendment or RKBA. Don't bring that stuff up. It's solely about personal safety.
 
Don't forget that most college kids are under 21 and can't carry concealed legaly anywhere (in TX, anyway). Many of the ones over 21 are taking advantage of their new right to consume alcohol, sometimes to excess, and I'm not sure I'd want many of them carrying at the school my son attends.

I believe if the faculty was allowed to carry it would help a lot. Of course college professors have a reputation for liberalism and there wouldn't be many of them armed.
 
Sounds like a critical factor is the state the school is in and whether the scool is public or private. Nationally there is no law against carrying on a college campus.

At the state level it may be legal and OK with the school, legal but not OK with the school, not legal for public schools but school decision for private, or not legal for any school. Often the State may pass a law making it illegal for state colleges but no legal restrictions on private campuses. If the private school prohibited it then you aren't breaking the law but may get dismissed.
 
Sigh.

I'm not concerned that the majority of students cannot carry legally. All it takes is a few percent who can. And maybe the profs are going to start to experience a sea-change in "theory vs. real life" attitude... Wouldn't be the first time.

We're also not concerned with national laws. The problem is actually twofold: Some states do not allow concealed carry on campuses. That needs to be fixed. And in some states that DO allow concealed carry on campus, the administrations persist in the ostrich defense, and have created victim zones. That needs to be fixed.

How can we fix it? First, and foremost, we can bring the subject up. Call, write, whatever, but make sure you express your concern for the safety of your family members, friends, whatever. "Is there a plan in place if someone decides to go nutjob in Dorothy's dorm?" Academia, and the media, needs to get REPEATEDLY hammered with that question. Get them thinking. Getting them to acknowledge the futility of what they've been doing is the first step. Until they do that, nothing matters.

Now, how many of y'all have fired off a note to your kids' schools? Or is everyone playing video games, and telling each other how important their rights are? COME ON PEOPLE! We have 62,000 members here. There are 1100 people online right now. We _could_ be a fairly major political force. Or we can continue to debate amongst ourselves about stuff like "what is the definition of assault weapon," and "9mm vs. 45."

Sigh...
 
I'm in college.

I don't get too worked up over not being able to carry on campus, since it's a religious school I figure if I'm killed while following the rules then it will win points upstairs.

What I don't like is that all students are required to live in approved housing (even if it's off campus) and part of the guidelines to be approved housing is to ban firearms. While I would normally just ignore this and adopt a don't ask don't tell policy with management, I must agree to live by these standards as part of the school honor code, so I am faced with either being a liar or putting up with it. For me my word is more important, just one year left...
 
In college...

I get to walk by those "kiss your arse good bye" signs every day I go that remind me how defenseless I am. This is my 2nd quarter on this particular campus and I've heard that it has only been very recently that our campus police have been armed. Something like within the last 6-12 months they made the switch, in response to VA Tech.

I commute and it is legal to carry, in your car, to the parking lot. You have to disarm and lock the firearm up in your car before proceeding to class. This was in our last round of CCW reforms. I have not tried this, knowing my luck I would get the power tripping officer who had no knowledge of the law.
 
Monday April 21st thru Friday April 25th is the next empty holster protest by Concealed Campus. If more people get involved more attention will be brought to the subject. Also an empty holster protest is not only a great conversation starter, but a great way to realize some people you never thought would be into firearms actually are. Concealed Campus is up to 11,684 members across the country. I honestly don't know of another organization more specifically dedicated to fighting for students rights to carry on campuses.
 
I went to college at Texas Tech University. I didn't personally have a concealed handgun on campus, but walking around campus (when not enjoying the sights of the opposite sex) I was always pretty sure that several people walking around were carrying more then a wallet and keys in their pants. I never said anything that would get anyone in trouble though, and after VA tech reminded us that having a high density of people that were almost guaranteed to be un-armed make good targets I always felt a lot better seeing those guys walking around.
 
No longer, got him through law school about 4 years ago. While he was there called and said Dad, I need a handgun. The school and the apartment he was living in was on the edge of a not too good of a part of town. Needless to say he got his handgun.
 
Yeah, back about 20 or so years ago, there were a coupla low-lifes who were running around doing stuff like grabbing folks right off the street in the area I was going to school... Lots of parents were showing up to visit their kids with cigarbox sized packages.
 
Okay. Nice statement.

Now, what are you going to do about it?

I'd suggest first calling people at their school, or just showing up in their offices - And think up what you want to ask (don't "say" - you're not preaching to them, or telling them what to do) before you walk in the door.

"Yessir, Dean, I'm just concerned over people getting shot on college campuses - do we have a plan in place to make sure that I'm safe here?"

Object of this first portion of the exercise is to get them THINKING. Open the minds a little.

Ask your friends to do the same thing. And ask them to ask their friends, etc.

Now, a couple of days later, print about 20-30 copies of a few of Oleg's images (anyone have suggestions?), and put 'em on a few bulletin boards around campus. Be low-key, stealthy, but not "sneaky." Just put 'em up at off hours, and walk away.

Now, talk to a few of your friends, and see if can get a meeting set up for the group with the dean, or whoever... It's all about taking the problem, and keeping it in their faces...
 
I know what they say, I've talked to the sheriff stationed there a few times, he knows me. He's there to gaurd the students, and that's the answer I receive. It's state mandated that we're not allowed to carry on campus, so there's not much I can do simply by bothering the people in charge.

The fliers idea I definitely like, along with making people more aware. You should've seen the discussion I had with my sociology teacher about concealed carry when we were talking about guns and concealed carry. I guess I blew his dialogue he was going to get into by demonstrating I am a competent and safe person when it comes to concealed carry, and I do so because I am the only one personally responsible for my protection.
 
You can do EVERYTHING by bothering the people in charge.

Don't talk about guns for a few days. Just "Hey, I'm worried. What plans or programs to you have in place to ensure our safety?"

Get your friends (and they can talk to their friends...) to do the same.

Then hit with a media campaign - fliers, bulletin boards, whatever...

Then bring up concealed carry.

If you don't talk to them, well, they ain't psychic. Everyone who talks to them about it is a positive mark for us.
 
Don't forget that most college kids are under 21 and can't carry concealed legaly anywhere (in TX, anyway). Many of the ones over 21 are taking advantage of their new right to consume alcohol, sometimes to excess, and I'm not sure I'd want many of them carrying at the school my son attends.
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As a college student I get tired of this argument. It's bad enough when Brady does it. We as gun owners hate being lumped into the collectivist mind set when the gun grabbers start throwing us under the bus with the sick and deranged. Yet I see a growing tendency of gun owners eating there own, so to speak, on the issue of College CCW.

Those of us (college students or not) who advocate greater CCW rights, argue doing so legally. Many shall issue states already have laws against carrying while intoxicated, usually much stricter than DUI laws. By and large, I think, those students who gravitate towards CCW as an option in self defense tend to be more mature and responsible than their peers. They have denied the notion that the state is responsible for them and have taken a large weight of responsibility onto themselves.

From an economical standpoint, a 12 pack roughly cost the same as a box of WWB, a bar tab, the price of good defensive ammo. The ones who are drinking to excess will probably be putting their money into their own hedonistic pleasures.

Off campus I am a full citizen, with rights intact. On campus I become a 2nd class citizen, with limited rights and apparently I am prone to drunken binges and orgies of blood. Or at least thats the way Paul Helmke sees me...
 
As a college student I get tired of this argument. It's bad enough when Brady does it. We as gun owners hate being lumped into the collectivist mind set when the gun grabbers start throwing us under the bus with the sick and deranged. Yet I see a growing tendency of gun owners eating there own, so to speak, on the issue of College CCW.
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Amen, not to mention how often folks forget ones like me, you know, STAFF. I've been carrying for years and have never been a problem to anyone but as you say, step on campus and I'm a 2'nd class citizen view with suspicion and fear and accused of all sorts of "potential for trouble"....though that hasn't happened in, oh heck I feel old enough already, let's just say the really long time I've been handling firearms <grin>.
 
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