How many want billery?

[Live Free Or Die]

As much as it would give me the willies if another Clinton were president, I'd take it -- so long as the congress is dominated by (genuine) republicans. At least we'd have gridlock then.

My vote will be cast for the most deserving candidate: a competent person who understands the constitution and why the government should exist only within its bounds. Since the LP is the only party likely to field such a candidate -- even if the candidate is flaky -- that's probably where my vote will go, albeit with some reservation. It really doesn't matter in Maryland anyways since this sad state leans heavily to the left in national elections.

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

The advantage of Billery is we KNOW exactly what we're getting.

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Do you REALLY think she is showing her agenda???

If you voted for Nixon you are old enough to know politics. BTW if you have been a Republican your whole life you will view Billary with total revulsion.

Scuze me Rick... your blue skirt is showing...

 

[The_Shootist]

Vote for Billary? Ha!

No waaaaay am I going to vote for her. Not after the execrable behaviour in the White House of Dirty Little Billy and the assault weapons ban.

Face it - whatever you think of GWB or the Republicans in general, they are far more supportive of the 2nd amendment than the Demorats. There is a stated position among some Democrats (Feinstein for one) who would confiscate all handguns and she has been on record as saying it.

Hell, the new SUpreme Court nominee Alito even previously questioned the gov't right to regulate machine guns . The Dems would make an assault on our 2nd amendment rights like we've never seen.


Oh yeah -and if you vote Librtarian, thats a wasted vote putting the Dems into power.

I personally am curious how the Dems think Hillary is going to remotely carry any of the red states, by the time the election rolls around.

 

[Mongo the Mutterer]

Oh yeah -and if you vote Librtarian, thats a wasted vote putting the Dems into power.

Yep... And I am a Libertarian, but the party has pushed me away with their drug stands.

I will never split my vote between two "conservatives". The 15 to 17% of the vote the Socialist Mainstream Media sucks out of the sheeple for the Demogogs will put them into office.

Conservatives have to suck it up and pull the lever for people they don't like and distrust, so people they hate and don't trust can't be elected.

 

[PinnedAndRecessed]

I will never vote in another presidential election until a candidate says he/she will close the borders and deport criminal aliens (aka, illegals).

 

[M-Rex]

I wouldn't piss on Hillary Clinton if she was on fire. I sure as hell am not going to vote for that leftist bitch.

 

[jacobtowne]

Hillary can't run for the Oval Office. She's already served two terms.
JT

 

[Live Free Or Die]

Oh yeah -and if you vote Librtarian, thats a wasted vote putting the Dems into power.

In many parts of the country, voting (insert your favorite 3rd party here) is a nice way to protest both Democrats and RINO's with one fell swoop. When you live somewhere that routinely gives Democrats landslide victories, IMO it's a huge waste to vote for a RINO.

 

[RealGun]

How many want billery?

I don't see this as an intelligent question. On THR it would be tongue in cheek at best.

 

[dpesec]

As much as it would give me the willies if another Clinton were president, I'd take it -- so long as the congress is dominated by (genuine) republicans. At least we'd have gridlock then.

My vote will be cast for the most deserving candidate: a competent person who understands the constitution and why the government should exist only within its bounds. Since the LP is the only party likely to field such a candidate -- even if the candidate is flaky -- that's probably where my vote will go, albeit with some reservation. It really doesn't matter in Maryland anyways since this sad state leans heavily to the left in national elections.

The problem is with the sweeping powers of executive orders, Billery could make our life tourture. Remember the little thing called the Patrior Act.
Enough said.

 

[Moondoggie]

Here's my position on Hillary...

Bill Clinton:

Liar,

Coward,

Adulterer,

Pervert.

Quoting Mr. Clinton..."Hillary is my moral compass."

'Nuff said?

 

[Biker]

Ahem..."Pervert" is a state of mind.
Biker

 

[Live Free Or Die]

The problem is with the sweeping powers of executive orders, Billery could make our life tourture. Remember the little thing called the Patrior Act.
Enough said.

That's true. But let's not forget who brought us the Patriot Act: RINO's. Besides, any provocative use of executive powers by a leftist Democrat president would hopefully galvanize the true Republicans (or possibly even conservative-leaning Democrats) in congress to fight it tooth and nail.

 

[Skipper]

Neither party seems to care,or even know much at all about Constitutional liberty. Both seem bent on erasing any vestige of freedom from our lives. The biggest difference is the Dems are doing it at 80 miles an hour while the Reps are cruising at a leisurely 40 mph.
Bush has squandered his time so far as has congress when so much could have been done. Having said that, the sunset of the AWB was a HUGE deal to all of us and would never have happened if any of the Dems had been in power. When that ban returns,it will most likely be under a Dem,and will be draconian and permanent. In fact,has any federal anti-gun legistration been passed under this administration? Can't say that about any of the last several administrations.
While all of this is true,we need to let the Reps know that we're not their puppets,and if they wish to continue to get our votes,they'll have to earn them. Unless they come up with a true constitution candidate (not too likely) I'll most likely vote for the CONSTITUTION PARTY candidate. At least I KNOW they're on our side. Throwing my vote away? I'm not sure it is if it gives the Republicans a reality check.
All of this is probably just vain babble as I think our days as freedom loving Americans is numbered. Stock up with EVERYTHING you think you'll need in guns, ammo,components,and parts......then work hard within the "system" to turn things around. Keep working even when it seems in vain.
And by the way,it won't hurt to pray too.
Regards
SKIP

 

[carp killer]

I don't know what to do. The Republicans have the House and Senate and White House. And they do NOTHING! Get rid of the "sporting purposes". Get rid of '86 MG ban. Push for a National CCW. Push those states that unconstitutionally deny a citizens 2nd Amendment rights.

 

[Chrontius]

Bush has done more harm to our rights in general than Clinton ever did.

If the Democrats ran the right person, I would consider voting for them. After 25 years of voting for nobody but Republicans, I am very disappointed in the sorry performance G.W. Bush has given.

+1, Underrated

I'm leaning toward Libertarian this election, no chance in hell of voting Republican -- two words, "Patriot Act" -- and I have no tastes for simply switching dynasties.

So, which Democrat potential nominees would you guys vote for?

EDIT: Zell Miller, hm? Quoth Wikipedia:

In his infamous "Deficit of Decency" speech (which prompted him to eventually author a book of the same name) in 2004 Feb., he attributed American societal malaise to rap music, desecration of the American flag, homosexual marriage and non-Christian government, and insinuated that addressing such "indecency" by law was "of utmost importance" in order to save American civilization from extinction.

Ick. The ACLU is gonna be all over his free-speech position, you know... I don't think he has a snowball's chance in a fusion reactor of making it through the primaries.

Ahem..."Pervert" is a state of mind.
Biker

You say pervert like it's a bad thing.

 

[antsi]

they've done basically nothing for us. The AWB was gonna sunset anyway, they just had to sit on their hands...

So I take it you are saying that with a Democrat congress and a Democrat in the White House, the AWB would still have sunset?

 

[Strings]

>So I take it you are saying that with a Democrat congress and a Democrat in the White House, the AWB would still have sunset?<

Ya know... I keep hearing that line. What you people fail to see is, that's the best the repubs have done for us, is sit on their hands. No, I'm sure the AWB would still be with us (and in worse form) had the Dems won in 2000 or 2004. However, that doesn't mean the Repubs are "for us", it just means they threw us a bone. They're not completely stupid, they know they have to give us a little attention to keep us faithful. Use the niave young girl again: teh AWB sunset was the Repubs takin' us on a date, because we were gettin' restive...

 

[saltydog]

Hillary can't run for the Oval Office. She's already served two terms.
JT

Very well said. Someone had to run the White House while the husband was "orally occupied" Bill was always to busy to run the country.

 

[NorthernExtreme]

Democrats do not considder the Pro-2nd Amendment group as part of their constituancy, and see no positive outcome in supporting us or the 2nd Amendment. They do have the Anti-2nd Amendment crowd on their Christmass (sorry Xmas for all you Democrats out there) list.

Evil has only to hope good people will do nothing. What have the Republicans done?

 

[longeyes]

Bush has been a disappointment but Hillary would not disappoint. I think we have a pretty good idea what her Presidency would mean to the rights we on this forum value most. I would not rule out civil war as a consequence of her victory. Making sure she does not win should be our first priority.

 

[KriegHund]

I find myself...un-liking...our president. I find myseld still hating Hillary. Even more so, as time passes.

 

[willp58]

Hillary would not disappoint. I think we have a pretty good idea what her Presidency would mean to the rights we on this forum value most. I would not rule out civil war as a consequence of her victory. Making sure she does not win should be our first priority.

And this is it in a nutshell...Either a Repub will win OR a Dem....One or the other.
It's nice to vote lib or what ever if that makes you feel good..

HOWEVER : The bottom line is...Repub or Dem.

So given that truth, which do you want???
There's a good chance billery will run for the dems..She is in tight with shumer and mizzfine-swine...So guess what is going to happen to us gun people???

I don't care if you hate Bush and the repubs or not....They are our only chance for a pro-gun atmosphere..

 

[hillbilly]

Hunter Rose, if you can't see how the lawsuit pre-emption law affects you, a gun owner, then I'd argue you aren't paying enough attention.

hillbilly

 

[Lone_Gunman]

The lawsuit pre-emption bill is in fact a good thing for gun companies for sure, but maybe not such a good thing for citizens and the Constitution.

First, remember that no gun company has ever gone out of business because of lawsuits that would have been prevented by this law, so the motivation for this law is questionable to me in the first place.

Second, those who would tout this law as beneficial to the citizens will claim that if the gun maker's liability goes down, so does his cost of manufacturing, and this savings will be passed on to consumers in the form of decreased retail prices. Only problem is, the price of guns has not (and will not) go down.

Third, this law increases the power of the federal government, specifically the Congress. Congress has now banned you, the citizen, from seeking redress in the courts. We support this now, because we think it is protecting our guns. But what if Congress decided to entirely ban civil lawsuits? If the gun maker lawsuit ban is judged Constitutional, then any lawsuit ban could be as well. Do we really want to increase the scope of federal control over our lives?

Finally, before you get to gung-ho about this lawsuit ban, you need to reconcile it with the Seventh Amendment, which guarantees a right to a trial by jury for civil matters exceeding $20.