How much does caliber really matter?

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I didn't read all the posts, especially those LONG posts so I'm sorry if I'm repeating answers already given.

I think I understand your question. IMO, if you place a .32 Auto or .380 Auto round in someone's heart they will die and do so quickly. The trouble is, you can't guarantee you will hit a vital organ even when shooting from 7 feet away. If you agree with that statement then you will also agree a larger hole will cause more and quicker bleeding thus having a better chance of stopping the target faster. Even though I'm a big fan of the 38/357 if you can only shoot once I would want to shoot the larges bullet available because it will have the best change of stopping an attack. Is it needed, not always, but why take the chance? If I were assured of a heart, lung or spinal column hit I would use a .38 Special but that can't be assured.
 
As someone may have mentioned, bigger is always better. I tend to like a .40 or .357 SIG or .357 or .38 at least. A .357, 44 mag, or 45 Colt if the attacker might be four legged. But.... generally I end up carrying a .380 Mustang, I suppose a S&W .500 would be the best choice, but not if you don't carry it.
 
When you think you're going to get into a gunfight, the first thought that goes through your mind is "I wish I had something bigger and had more bullets."

Let's say instead of being able to shoot the guy, all you get is one swing of either a quarter inch diameter steel rod or a sixteen pound bowling ball. Which would you choose?
 
A Thompson Contender in .45-90 or .45-100?
I mean, only one shot... plus you get the bonus of a muzzle flash which would make a Def-Tec distraction device seem like a chipmunk squeak.

To Paraphrase Mr Wayans - "You're on fiiiaaahhhh!":fire:
 
In this sad state of America, not everybody can afford even hollowpoints. I can't afford them. 9mm is a very nice, easy round to shoot, and I like it.

Is any other round good? Yes. But I can't afford it.

Buy a box of 20 (Gold Dots) to load your carry weapon and practice with the closest equivalent.
 
I carry a 44 Special since it's the most carry-able gun I have (Charter Arms, Bull Dog Pug); I target shoot with my 45 ACP 1911's but would likely carry one if it fit my dress better.

From what I've seen and read, from 9 mm to .45 there isn't a whole lot of difference. Then depending on the season and how much your assailant weighs things change. In the winter, believe it or not, you're better off with a 9 mm to pierce the heavy clothing you have to deal with that coupled with an over weight assailant you have a lot of barrier to absorb energy and a tough shot to stop the attack.

I read a story where a cop emptied his (I believe) 9 mm into a big BG who was unfazed then BG fired one .22 at the cop and a lucky shot went through the arm hole in his bullet proof vest and killed the cop. There's something to be said for placement.

I saw a picture of a block of ballistic jell with comparative shots in it (sorry dont have the URL) and quite frankly, there wasn't a huge difference between a 9 mm up to a .45 in expansion damage. Yes there was a difference but not so as to say you've got to have a .45 to win a gun fight.

I posted this in another thread, read some of these articles; they may just shock you as to how hard it is to stop someone with a handgun.

http://firearmstactical.com/tactical.htm

Bottom line, dont count so much on the size of the gun (within reason) learn to shoot and if it's a big guy, one to the torso to slow him down then a head shot.
 
Let's say instead of being able to shoot the guy, all you get is one swing of either a quarter inch diameter steel rod or a sixteen pound bowling ball. Which would you choose?


How long of a rod? :)
 
Bigger holes are better than smaller ones, always.

From shooting pigs, I have seen bigger exit holes from .357 magnum than .45ACP. Harry Callahan's "blow your head clean off" ain't far off the mark for a magnum revolver. So, caliber? Well, so long as it's .355 or bigger, I'm happy with it for carry. I don't do .32s. Everyone has their minimums and opinions on the topic. Makes for good arguments on gun boards. :D

Let's say instead of being able to shoot the guy, all you get is one swing of either a quarter inch diameter steel rod or a sixteen pound bowling ball. Which would you choose?

Well, when I bowled league, I only carried a 160 average. I'm thinkin' the rod. I'm a better fisherman than bowler and accuracy is what matters. :D

BTW, what's a "winter"?
 
"Given adequate penetration, a larger diameter bullet will have an edge in wounding effectiveness. It will damage a blood vessel the smaller projectile barely misses. The larger permanent cavity may lead to faster blood loss. Although such an edge clearly exists, its significance cannot be quantified".
 
Shot for shot, a bigger hole made w/ more energy is obviously better than a smaller hole w/ less energy. It may be a very fine line where one bullet does not work and another does all else being equal and 99.99% of the time the result will be the same no matter which caliber if the bullet was put in the exact same spot.

However, this misses all other important factors that should come into consideration for your decision such as recoil/follow up speed, capacity, ease of reloading, ease of concealing, how quick you can get on target and pull the trigger (more platform dependent), etc.
 
A Thompson Contender in .45-90 or .45-100?

I mean, only one shot... plus you get the bonus of a muzzle flash which would make a Def-Tec distraction device seem like a chipmunk squeak.
Nope. TC Encore pistol in 375 H&H Magnum should do the trick.

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I forget where I read the thread, but a Coroner from Atlanta posted some of his thoughts about handgun performance based on what he saw from the “slab”.

It was an interesting thread, but he quit because the ideologues were biting too hard.

My recollection was that he liked bigger bullets. He had seen multiple gunshot victims where light caliber bullets were deflected by the ribs, or other bones. From what he saw, heavy bullets were much more predictable.

Bullet deflection could be a mixed blessing, if the bullet was aimed at a vital organ, and deflected away, it could take more shots to stop the perpetrator. If however, you were as unfortunate as a friend I knew, he was killed when a .22LR deflected off a back rib or spine, directly in to his heart.

High power rifles were particularly deadly. He made a comment about internal organs pouring out like jelly from body cavities of people shot by a high power rifle.

And he had one softball player on his slab. The poor guy was addled with beer, and someone brought a potato gun to the game. The softball player got into batting practice with the guy with the potato gun. Unfortunately the potato did not go down the center of the plate, and the batter was killed by the impact.

From what I understand, you are better off with big over small, and a long gun over a handgun.

Make my seven foot single shot weapon a 12Ga with buckshot.
 
we're talking only one COM hit, right?

Agree with all those who said bigger is better: with an extra qualification, maximum possible velocity.

A single heart shot will not guarantee the quick "dead-in-his-tracks" effect that we all dream (or have nightmares) about. The projectile that makes the largest, deepest hole in the quickest possible time will ensure the highest probability of this effect happening, by i.e. turning his heart into mush, or blowing it out his back. Still, his brain is still functioning and 7 feet is near enough for this already, or soon to be, dead BG to take you with him!

I'd opine that a drug crazed, athletic 250 lb BG might require, at the minimum, a reliable-expanding 200 grain hollowpoint .429 caliber bullet travelling 1,400 fps
 
Nope. TC Encore pistol in 375 H&H Magnum should do the trick.

You've got to be kidding me!!!! I'm guessing the best part of shooting a hand gun like that is it blows you down the street to a safe distance with the recoil.
 
If we get only 1 shot? Anything with 16"-18" of penetration.

If we want near 100% guaranteed 1-shot stop, lets go with a .50BMG with a 750gr JHP "elephant-stopper" or a HE-FRAG-esque projectile. I guess if we blow the BG in twain he's fairly harmless...
 
If we want near 100% guaranteed 1-shot stop, lets go with a .50BMG with a 750gr JHP "elephant-stopper" or a HE-FRAG-esque projectile. I guess if we blow the BG in twain he's fairly harmless...

That just might stop half the neighborhood though. LOL
 
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