How Much Should I Spend On A Good AR15 Scope?

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I want a decent AR scope for shooting out to 600-700 yards (probably a 3-9 power). I've been looking at the Weaver Grand Slam Tactical and the Leupold Mark AR Mod 1, but some people say $300-350 isn't enough. Will I actually see a difference if I bump up how much I spend? Is there another tier at $450? $500? $650? What's the minimum?

Edit: What does a $300 Weaver do that a $150 Vortex doesn't? Is it really that important?
 
Buy a quality optic in your chosen price range. Decent scopes can be had for under $200, and the vast majority of casual recreational shooters won't see $400 worth of difference between a $200 Leupold, or a $600 Zeiss. Dont go by "what people say". I've found a lot of people find it easier to spend other people's money than their own. Find a scope you like, read some reviews on it, look through it yourself (under field conditions if possible...most stores are lit up enough that a $30 Tasco looks like quality glass!), and don't get sucked into a scope having to be a certain price point in order to be "good enough". Find a quality optic YOU like, and call it a day
 
Bushnell or Leupold if you need to use the warranty. The higher priced models in Bushnells line, are a better scope for the money.
 
I'm just wondering if I should spend $150 on a Vortex and see what I like (this is my first scope afterall). Then spend more on a better scope. I'm not sure I'll be able to see any difference between a $300 Leupold and a $150 Vortex.
 
How hard will this optic be used? If it's casual and occasional range use its a different answer than if it's hard, competitive, demanding use. You do gain from price range to price range, but if that gain is worth it is up to you. At the bottom end of the price bracket the additional cost gets you significantly more. You get better quality and typically a bump from a China made optic to one made somewhere else. That tends to get better glass quality (fewer imperfections and better coatings), better designed/built turrets and adjustments, as well as overall better quality control. This jump is the biggest in terms of what you get for your money.

My recommendation would be to spend enough to not buy a Chinese optic. From there, it's much more of a diminishing returns point. A $300 optic vs a $600 optic will look similar in bright day light. What you gain is at low light conditions. Then you tend to get more robust turrets/adjustments that are more accurate and feel more precise. They also tend to track more precise, especially over time. This is even more relevant to the "tactical" advertised scopes that as the price goes up focus more on the way a "tactical" user will use a scope (more turret adjustments than zero it and leave it).

I'd suggest you buy as nice/expensive of an optic as you can. Very very rarely does someone complain about having too nice of an optic. Quite frequently you hear people who have to buy a second or third time trying to save a few dollars. I would strongly look at what you want to do and then find the optic that fits those needs the best at the best price point. It may be a $150 Prostaff and it may be a $2500 Nightforce or anywhere in between. Just be honest with yourself and what you want/need and buy from there.

I will suggest that if you plan to use this in a defensive way (which it doesn't sound like) to buy as much ruggedness as your budget physically allows. A few dollars now are worth it should the day come. If it's not being used for that purpose, then it's a bit irrelevant.
 
For non-competitive, long range use, Primary Arms 4-14x first focal plane scopes are the best bang for buck under $600. $230 to $280 depending on reticle choice.
 
You should spend $200, and you should spend it on something not made in China or the Philipines. Tomorrow you might be able to snag some real bargains. I understand Cabela's is going to have some crazy deals on Leupold VX-3 if you have a few bucks more to spare.
 
You should spend $200, and you should spend it on something not made in China or the Philipines. Tomorrow you might be able to snag some real bargains. I understand Cabela's is going to have some crazy deals on Leupold VX-3 if you have a few bucks more to spare.
I agree with not purchasing Chinese scopes but feel you are off about Filipino scopes. Many good scopes come from there including but not limited to Burris, Nikon, Vortex and possibly Bushnell. Some of those brands models are also made in Japan and at least one - Crossfire - is made in China.

The older I get the more money I put into the optic and put less into the firearm.
 
While I probably won't treat the scope too harshly I would like something robust. I'm not afraid to spend some money on a quality piece, I just want to make sure its money well spent. And I don't necessarily need to get into diminishing returns, I just want a good value. I'm questioning if $300 is considered a "cheap" scope if I'm not better off really going cheap and getting a $150 scope.
 
I agree with not purchasing Chinese scopes but feel you are off about Filipino scopes. Many good scopes come from there including but not limited to Burris, Nikon, Vortex and possibly Bushnell. Some of those brands models are also made in Japan and at least one - Crossfire - is made in China.

The older I get the more money I put into the optic and put less into the firearm.
I have never owned a scope made there that didn't have either an optical or mechanical defect. Three Nikons and a Sightron. With a failure rate of 100% a sample size of four is enough for me. There won't be a fifth.

I'm questioning if $300 is considered a "cheap" scope if I'm not better off really going cheap and getting a $150 scope.

Nope. $200 gets you the entry level Leupold and gets you out of "cheap" and into "good."
 
Optics are really one place where you see a big gain in performance up to the $300 point. You still see features added and often higher magnification with more money, but there isn't much under $300 that makes me feel all warm and fuzzy to buy. Certainly a few under that point but not much.
 
All scopes are not equal, that's for sure. I've looked thru some Leupolds that are truly a joke. People talk about this or that brand, without giving specific model info or even failure descriptions. I know of several in the precision shooting arena, that have traded in their Nightforce scopes for a premium Vortex, others find issues with USO's, S&B, etc

Some people might have a bad experience with a Vortex "Crossfire" then complain that its representative of the entire Vortex lineup. This is simply not a fair representation. Comparing a Vortex "Crossfire" to a Vortex "PST" or Vortex "Razor" is not an equal comparison. Same with Leupold. The guy shooting tin cans at the range may not need some of the features in a scope that requires precision mfg and tighter tolerance tracking, and that's fine.

Most scope manufacturers have several "tiers" of offerings within their product line. Entry level Leupolds or Vortex Crossfires ( both made in China ), on up to nicer optics with "glass" from L.O.W. ( Low Optical Works, Japan ) like the Vortex PST or Zeiss conquests with glass from Schott Glassworks of Germany.

Even if a scope is "assembled" in the Philippines or elsewhere, the actual glass should be a primary variable, though not the only variable.

For your price range, the Nikon Prostaff 3x9 used to be the low end of what was acceptable. Now...I wouldn't recommend that model anymore because those Nikons are not what they used to be 10 years ago. There's been a drastic reduction in quality, even in their Binos.
 
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I have spent many many hours over the last couple years obsessing over optics, spending money here or there on various brands lines and trying them out, researching forums, reviews, mfgs websites ect...i still lack much in the knowlege dept, but it seems some good advise is given here. You might get lucky in the sub $300 range and there are a couple so called "gems" in that price range but it seems those are the exception, not the rule, and even the good ones in that price range are not 'that' good. There are a lot of people that do no know what a quality optic is. I started the game buying cheap stuff. Barska, some no name used scope, super low end bushnell ect... I do not have any of those scopes any more. Then bought a Nikon monarch UCC, trying to still budget and got an old 3x9 Redfield from my dad. For various reasons I probably will not retain these scopes much longer either. Fwiw the redfield holds zero but has a horrible yellow tint to the image, the Nikon has decent glass but am not convinced it reliably holds zero, and you cannot trust the clicks to be true to their values (i have also read several other accounts of the same click value issue with others that have various nikon scopes (i am aware that some scopes need to settle into place after adjustment, and i still cant seem to figure out what the heck is going on with this one)

Then I found a great deal on some Weaver Super Slams, a Vortex Viper HS LR (a better scope and glass than the basic viper line, but almost the same thing as the Viper PST eg; same glass and tubes, no illumination and the turrets have different adjustment click values than the pst's) and a Sightron SIII. These are all terrific scopes that i wont sell.
I did have something break loose in the Sightron which was rattling around inside it, Sightron happily and very quickly fixed the issue for free, also told me that was a very strange and unusual thing to happen. Of those scopes the sightron has the best looking picture. Very bright and colorful high contrast and sharp. The vortex and weavers i have are not far behind, but they also costed me signifcantly less. I would highly recommend any of them and there are some great deals to be had on the Weaver Super Slam lines especially if you dont get the Tactical versions.

My findings are also that you will pay significantly more for scopes in a given line that have the tactical features like illumination, custom turrets, ballistic drop reticals, side focus, flip up covers ect... The basic versions without all the bells and whistles are sometimes less than half the cost for the same basic optic. in other words, same glass, tubes, coatings ect... As their more expensive brethren. Some serious deals can be had for great glass if you are willing to sacrifice some of those features.

Another bit of advice dont buy based on warranty alone. And dont trust what mfgs say about how great their scopes are on their websites. People rave about Leupolds warranty service, i have never used it but my dads experience with them was not good. So dont count on that kind of thing. For that reason i have not been keen to buy any more Leupolds although they do have some decent stuff. And a couple of nitches no one else has filled as a mentioned in a recent thread. They are good, but not as good as some will have you believe (optically, duribility ect..) and as mentioned it definitly matters which line you buy from. Most brands are not excelent all the way across the board and Leupold is no exception to this. After all a good warranty doesn't do a dang bit of good if you need it working on a hunting trip or out in The field and it busts anyway. Nothing can make up for a missed oportunity or worse.

So thats my advice. Weaver has some terrific value in their Super Slam line, so does Vortex in their Viper HS/ HST/ HS LR lines. But glass quality matters a lot to me. Much more so than other fancy features. That being said i I just pulled the trigger on a Schmidt and Bender Zenith 1.1-4x because i finally found the sale I have been waiting for (this was after months of debate between them and others like the Vortex Razor or Swarovski Z6 ect..) I wanted to see if buying something truly high end is really worth it to me over something pretty good that gets the job done well. I will probably post in a couple weeks and report on it. It also was intended to be the last scope i ever buy in that purpose catagory but i doubt that will end up being the case. We'll see. Good luck.
 
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Vortex junkie here. 3 PSTs, a Viper, and 2 Diamondback binos.

For ARs, the new Strike Eagle looks like goodkit at a good price.
 
For your price range, the Nikon Prostaff 3x9 used to be the low end of what was acceptable. Now...I wouldn't recommend that model anymore because those Nikons are not what they used to be 10 years ago. There's been a drastic reduction in quality, even in their Binos.

Nikon shuffled their product line this year. Prostaff is now their mid-grade scope line and Buckmaster is their entry level. Prostaff 5 is a nicer scope than they used to be.
 
Most hunting optics lenses come from the same place, whether you're looking at Tasco, Vortex, Leupold, USO, or S&B. Not that I'm saying they're all the same, but all this back and forth about where optics are made is pretty stupid, since the GLASS - the component that optical clarity depends on - is coming from the same source, and is then assembled elsewhere.

At least one optics company is straightforward in that regard -
Leupold uses foreign sourced components for some parts of Golden Ring products, primarily lenses. This is because at this time, there is no American manufacturer that can supply the quantity of high quality lenses that Leupold needs for its annual Golden Ring Optics production. Leupold’s lens systems are designed at Leupold, by American optical engineers, in its state-of -the-art optics lab and then procured from outside vendors who must meet stringent quality standards.

Incoming parts are carefully inspected in our testing facility before they are accepted into the assembly process. Incidentally, all major optics producers worldwide acquire some or all of their glass from the same sources as Leupold. Some of these sources are located domestically, some are European, and some are Asian. Leupold has acquired its lenses this way for over 50 years.
(Source: https://www.leupold.com/about-us/americas-optics-authority)

Here is a video where this is all discussed at length, in addition to a discussion on different types of lenses, etc (40 mins). It's worth watching if you're interested in the topic.
 
I've got two 3-9x40 Nikon Buckmasters on deer hunting rifles and have never wished I had a "better" scope. They were $200. I could spend twice as much on a scope, but I doubt it would let me see twice as good, or shoot twice as good, or be twice as waterproof, etc.......
 
If your after a decent scope for an AR you ought to check out Primary Arms and the AK Operators Union stores. Both cater to the AR/AK type firearms and are tested for function and durability considering the use and abuse this type rifle may encounter. To me looks are important as well and many sporting rifle scopes just don't have that military appeal you want on your AR. But that's just me.
 
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