How Quickly They Forget - Anti-Gun GOP Candidates

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I'm assuming you all saw the debates tonight. During part of the debate, candidates were able to ask each other questions. Well, Huckabee asked Romney a question regarding the AWB and the Brady Bill.

I was absolutely floored to Romney's response, that man never ceases to amaze me. In short his answer was something along the lines of:

I support the second amendment, I believe it is an individual right and not for the government. I hope that the supreme court comes to the decision that it is an individual right. As governor, I worked with Democrats so gun laws would work with our state. I supported and signed the assault weapons ban and like George Bush, I would sign it if it came to my desk. I do however believe our laws are fine now and we do not need new legislation but rather to enforce the laws we have now.
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I just wish Huckabee would have confronted him and asked: So what is it? Do you support it or do you not?
 
Ironically, Ron Paul in many ways is now doing the best! 2nd in Nevada, 2nd, possibly 1st in Louisiana. He beat Giuliani and Thompson about every time and 98%+ of Thompsons supporters have gotten behind Paul already!
All this and the fact that Paul has the most money left ( aside from Romneys personal collection...) . Paul's campaign is growing rapidly on it's own despite media avoidance. He's won polling for every debate so far from the channels owns polls! I say we all get behind him and make it happen. He's the most conservative, most pro gun, most freedom/liberty advocating and in my opinion, the most intellectual and most clear on real resolutions to all these issues that past administrations haven't done a thing for!
Here's last nights debate results: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22830366/
 
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WRONGO! Many of us Fredheads have gone over to Romney, others are mulling over a write-in. As I WILL have a delegate seat from Precinct (Feb 9) to County, I plan to go Uncommitted and make my call on-the-spot based on how I see things shaking out. I was rather offended by some Paul supporters not allowing us our "day of mourning" before rather obnoxiously invading our guy's blog...

Either way, my agenda is to scuttle the Manchurian Candidate, and if possible Il Duce Secundo alongside him.
 
Well, Fred's own campaign site forum says different! 99% say they'll support their second choice, Ron Paul. I'm sorry he dropped out, I can imagine that's tough for his supporters, he would have been my 2nd choice, but now it's crucial that they get behind their 2nd choice asap, whether Paul, Romney, Huckabee or McCain.
I'll attach the screenshot of that thread:
 
Originally posted by Scout26: I think your wookie mask is on a little tight......
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I am sorry you were unable to take the high road and wish to engauge in a flamefest between forums.

Maybe it is my proper Christian upbringing but I will not personally attack other members. It shows not only a lack of character but a lack of intelligence when the only answer you have for a tough question is a personal attack.
 
Originally posted by jjduller1946: I believe in all of the Amendments and having sworn to defend the Constitution like many of you and having been shot at and hit in the process, I used to look at McCain and find much to admire. Anyone who sat for 5 1/2 years in the Hanoi Hilton hell hole gets a big stack of benefit of the doubt from me.

However, McCain has burned all of my goodwill over the years. The first was his angry resistance to the Bush Tax Cuts. He now claims he just wanted to cut spending. At the time he claimed it was just for the country club fat cats.

McCain could be the darling of the NRA and pack heat in the Senate and I would not want him leading the charge against a Barack Hussein Obama - Hillary Clinton ticket. He is way wrong on too many of the other things I care about.
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Can I ask a question? Why do you only include Obama's full name? Why not put McCains first, middle, and last name as well. the same for Clinton?
 
Can I ask a question? Why do you only include Obama's full name? Why not put McCains first, middle, and last name as well. the same for Clinton?
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What difference does it make? Is he afraid to admit to his Muslim heritage? Is that perhaps a relevant issue, even if it is not PC?
 
I bet most of Fred's guys do go to Mitt. RP is just too far out there right now.

For some of you RP fans, instead of Internet vitriol, perhaps you should get off your dead a$$ and volunteer to help the campaign out. That would speak a lot louder than Internet posturing. Grass roots politics is where the real difference is made. Its actual work though. You probably can't do much this year, but next election you could make the difference. RP is not the only liberty leaning candidate out there.

I am unimpressed with any of the candidates running right now from either party. But, as I have said before, there are only so many Ronald Reagans and Teddy Roosevelts around. Most of the time you are forced to select someone lesser.
 
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"I don't think Guiliani is as virulently anti-gun as some think either, despite some of the things he has said in the past."

Does the fact that Rudy Baby sued US gun makers for the acts of violent criminals bother you?
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Of course it bothers me. I just don't see him caring a whole lot about his anti-2A stance. It just does not seem to be a big part of his persona.
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Gun control and unchecked police power are two of Giuliani's core values. They don't change. They don't EVER change, even when he tries to change the subject.

You've got a guy who believes that by definition, anything which the police do is right and proper, and who thinks that the 2nd Amendment means different things in different places (and if the 2nd, why not the 1st, 4th, 5th, and 13th???) and you want to give HIM the BATFE?

I'm not registering anything, nor am I turning anything in. Why then should I vote for somebody likely to send people to my house to kill me and take my guns? It makes as much sense as a Jew voting for the head of the White Aryan Resistance.
 
Gun control and unchecked police power are two of Giuliani's core values. They don't change. They don't EVER change, even when he tries to change the subject.
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I would suggest most politicians are interested in exercising power and anything that gets in their way is tossed aside once they attain the ability to do so. Does not just apply to Rudy.

Us voters are what has to keep the politicians in check. The constitution is just a piece of paper. What makes it work is when the voters hold the politicians feet to the fire. We stopped doing that for the most part a long while ago when the majority of the population accepted the idea of trading liberties for freebies from uncle feel good. That was the choice that was made.

If you want your liberty back, you have to get rid of the freebies. Are you willing to get rid of SS? How about medicare? Or federally subsidized loans of all types? You can't have the freebies and your liberties at the same time.
 
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Can I ask a question? Why do you only include Obama's full name? Why not put McCains first, middle, and last name as well. the same for Clinton?

What difference does it make? Is he afraid to admit to his Muslim heritage? Is that perhaps a relevant issue, even if it is not PC?
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tecumseh,

I was responding to the Clinton Machine's and others who have raised the fact that his middle name is Hussain. I have never hear the middle name of any of the other Candidates except Hillary's Rodham, which is her maiden name. But I do not care what his name is as long as it is not predede by 'President'. And that is becase of his past positions and proposals for the country. Not his color, not his name, not his religion.

But I am not impressed that the preacher at the chuch he belongs to advocates a 'black first' kind racism philosophy. We will probably hear more about Obama's church/preacher from Bill Clinton or another surrogate if Obama continues to threaten the Clinton right to their dynasy.

So I worry about what I believe is a very corrupt Clinton machine holding any more power than the Senator from New York already has. Obama is, IMHO, a charismatic young socialist who's only known corruption record has to do with his primary supporter 'helping' him but property in Illinois. Compared to Bill and Hill, he is little league.

Thanks for listening, all, IMHO.
 
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"giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys."
-P.J. O'Rourke

Even if you don't agree with Ron Paul on some issues, I voted for him because he's the only politician paying more than lip-service to the Constitution.
 
So I worry about what I believe is a very corrupt Clinton machine holding any more power than the Senator from New York already has. Obama is, IMHO, a charismatic young socialist who's only known corruption record has to do with his primary supporter 'helping' him but property in Illinois. Compared to Bill and Hill, he is little league.
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I would not be so sure. BHO has deep ties to the Daley machine in Chicago, despite everyone's best attempts to portray him otherwise. Daley may well have the most corrupt political apparatus in the US. No one tied to Daley is clean.
 
98%+ is a little over the top. That said, I plan to vote for Ron Paul in the Ohio primary. Paul and Huckabee are the strongest Republican candidates left on the Second Amendment (and I am satisfied both mean it), but Paul is less objectionable (even throwing Lew Rockwell into the mix) than Huckabee otherwise.
 
Some one who gets it

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdxTg9x3Mbg

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...113&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=2

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...113&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=3

Gun Control

Voted NO on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
Voted NO on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
Voted NO on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Support the Second Amendment . (Dec 2000)
Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)
 
mitt romney

since FRED is gone it leaves me with MITT.I know ROMNEYS record in Mass and it is NOT what posters are saying.I beleave he is perhaps luke warm on the gun issue BUT BUT he was good for the gun owners in Mass.posters from other sections of the country cannot understand the problems Mass and Calif.gun owners have with the democratic polititions in those states.if you as Gov want to get any thing done if you are republican you make consesions or sooth the enemy to sleep.look MITTS record up on GOAL or stop posting a lie.his advisors did not state the AWB properly.the law was on books in 1994 and did not sunset.he modified it to get some fair dealings for gun owners and worked with GOAL.I talk to GOAL frequently and am aware of what goes on in Mass I also get the outdoor message from GOAL on monthly bases. Romney does not need the power or money of the office. :uhoh:---:confused:---:fire:---:banghead:---:)---:)
 
Throughout history, our elected officials have said one thing and done another once elected. That's why it's so hard to choose. As far as I'm concerned they won't get my guns. Period. And I mean that. All gun control will do is make criminals out of normal citizens. But it can go farther than that in todays world. Anyone care to guess why it's so hard to beat people like iraqis. They have guns! If American citizens hold on to the gun rights our founding father gave us, we are peole who won't be broken. It's plain to see that the people who would protect their gun rights are the strongest. Question is, how can we send a clear unmistakable message to our leaders the we will not give up this right? Yes, voting for the person who shares our perspective is a great choice. But what if they change their mind once they are elected? Should the citizens of the United States of America vote on gun control? A vote on gun rights and only gun rights. Criminals SHOULD be restricted from having guns. That's my opinion. But not all of us are criminals! (At least, not until they try to take my guns)
 
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