How to turn your AR into a Gatling gun

[AK Hunter]

Freedom Ordnance out of Indiana has developed a new gizmo that replaces the hand grip & it has a crank handle in it that turns any AR into a Gatling gun by actuating the trigger. Do you think it will work as promised or will it mess things up? They are giving a discount code of RB2024 to drop the price to $225.
I would like to buy one but I don't want to mess up my guns.

FG-15 Trigger Actuating Grip - Freedom Ordnance

The FG-15 is a manually operated trigger actuator. Once installed the crank handle is then able to actuate the firearm's trigger when telescoped out into firing position. This product can't be shipped to the following states CA, CO, CT, DE, FL, HI, IL, IA, MD, MA, MN, NJ, NY, RI, VA, WA, DC It...

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[JDeere]

Oh boy, I got belt loops on my jeans for free to play that game...ymmv

 

[jmorris]

Clever, they used the hollow grip screw concept we use to remove take up with an internal set screw but are using it to actuate the trigger.


I wonder how long its going to take folks to start 3d printing them?

 

[BreechFace]

Queue the people who say we’re “poking the bear,” so to speak.

Pretty cool, not something I care to buy; but got to love American ingenuity.

A machine gun steel, chrome lined, heavy barreled 20” AR on a bipod and a D60 magazine and one has a scrub m249.

 

[CoalCrackerAl]

Id rather a binary trigger.

 

[Lefty38-55]

Not a new concept, just a spin on the application, as ~30 odd years ago or more there was the BMF Trigger Activator that looked like a spinning reel handle on a bracket that would clamp to the trigger guard and do the same thing to ANY semi-auto.

 

[armoredman]

Hellfire, I remember those back in the 80s.

 

[Hooda Thunkit]

I've got one of those trigger activators around here somewhere. It came in a lot trade, I've never used it.
Maybe I should try it on a 22.

 

[hso]

turns any AR into a Gatling gun by actuating the trigger.

That is not a Gatling gun which requires multiple barrels. While this is a new way to actuate a trigger people stuffed a cam with a crank into a trigger guard years ago.

 

[JDeere]

Belt loops, tried and true without any possible legal consequences. Of course sa works just fine for me...

 

[Remington1911]

It just seems silly to me. I really think if the 1986 deal had not been done none of this stupid stuff would have seen the light of day.

 

[AlexanderA]

Just a gimmick. Simulates automatic fire, like bump stocks, binary triggers, etc. (These are all workarounds for that pesky NFA.) The larger question is whether automatic fire, itself, is just a gimmick. There are only a few situations in which the military itself uses it. The case can be made that for an AR-type weapon, automatic fire is actually less effective than semiautomatic. It certainly wastes a lot of ammunition. (I say this as an owner of FA M16's as well as regular AR's.)

 

[BreechFace]

Full auto doesn’t do anything for me. Especially, with the excellent trigger technology that has come to fruition on standard triggers. There just isn’t a need or purpose other than a belt fed, and those are even more ridiculous on the scale of feeding them.

Would I own a full auto if they were legal and trigger packs were $100. You bet, all my carbines and PCC’s would have them.

I think binaries, forced reset and gattling triggers are all great. They fully meet the letter of the law, and absolutely we should not give an inch on them. Would I own any of them, probably never; but fully support those who do or have a desire to.

These are not “work arounds,” and a “simulation” is just a fake representation of the real thing. We 2A people use these terms and we are just encouraging the statists to further erode our rights. These triggers all meet the ATF definition of not being an automatic firearm, and if we start fearing their future legislation simply from the point of worrying about legal citizens purchasing and using legal items, well then we’ve already lost.

Binaries, forced reset and gattling triggers being “work arounds” is akin to saying tax deductions are loopholes to not pay one’s taxes.

 

[jmorris]

Would I own a full auto if they were legal and trigger packs were $100. You bet, all my carbines and PCC’s would have them.

And thats why they created the hoops for people to jump through.

Its been an effective deterrent, thats for sure.

 

[Remington1911]

Personally having my fill of them in a past life, I have no desire. I had no desire pre 1986 when they could be had much cheaper. Like one poster said suppressing fire is a thing, but not a thing that the normal Joe would use every day. The giggle factor gets old rather quickly, and even mid 80's ammo prices made it something that came out once a year when friends from out of town came over and wanted to shoot the "machine gun". Even being that friend it got old after a mag or two....perhaps that was because of said past life don't know.

 

[Remington1911]

Full auto doesn’t do anything for me. Especially, with the excellent trigger technology that has come to fruition on standard triggers. There just isn’t a need or purpose other than a belt fed, and those are even more ridiculous on the scale of feeding them.

Would I own a full auto if they were legal and trigger packs were $100. You bet, all my carbines and PCC’s would have them.

I think binaries, forced reset and gattling triggers are all great. They fully meet the letter of the law, and absolutely we should not give an inch on them. Would I own any of them, probably never; but fully support those who do or have a desire to.

These are not “work arounds,” and a “simulation” is just a fake representation of the real thing. We 2A people use these terms and we are just encouraging the statists to further erode our rights. These triggers all meet the ATF definition of not being an automatic firearm, and if we start fearing their future legislation simply from the point of worrying about legal citizens purchasing and using legal items, well then we’ve already lost.

Binaries, forced reset and gattling triggers being “work arounds” is akin to saying tax deductions are loopholes to not pay one’s taxes.

And thats why they created the hoops for people to jump through.

Its been an effective deterrent, thats for sure.

The 1934 deal, while I don't agree with it, and find the premise of the law out right stupid it is just a tax, and that is something the .gov can do. 1934 did not limit a darn thing, you just had to pay your tax and you could get it.
Now granted $200 in 1934 was a great deal of money, but let me ask you this question, do you think people like Al Capone, a guy that lit cigars with $100 bills would have any issue paying a $100 tax, how about any gangster, was money an issue to any of them? No it was not. So was it just a stupid law like so many "common sense" laws we see today, nope this one did just what the .gov wanted it to do. It put the the entry so darn high the "average man" could not afford it. Don't think that is true, lets see what that $200 is in todays money.


Well if the payment for the "tax stamp" kept up with inflation, I really doubt you would have one on "all your carbines and PCC's". They found out that changing that $ amount was a bit of a sticky wicket. They did not want to open that can up, as they knew it would be challenged. So they left it.

All those years from then to 1986 when Bush said "no more new machineguns" buying parts kits was no big deal, pay your $200 and off you go, then register your new "machine gun". It was not a real big deal. That $200 was not stopping people anymore....what was that $200 worth in todays money back in '86


$550, yea now that is a price that the "common man" can afford, and afford them they did. To the rate the .gov did not like, so they had to real it in, and that 1986 BAN on new production was what they did.

Just to clear things up a bit. People don't really think all the way down this road when thinking about things like this.

I expect more is coming.

 

[AlexanderA]

These are not “work arounds,” and a “simulation” is just a fake representation of the real thing.

The test of whether something is a "workaround" is simple: would it exist if the NFA was not the law, and full automatics were freely available? If we could have automatic M16's, on the same basis that we now have semi AR's, nobody would bother with bump stocks, crank triggers, binaries, etc. All these things are technically inferior to the original design. (If they weren't, the army would adopt them.)

 

[jmorris]

Now granted $200 in 1934 was a great deal of money, but let me ask you this question, do you think people like Al Capone, a guy that lit cigars with $100 bills would have any issue paying a $100 tax, how about any gangster, was money an issue to any of them?

If you are already one who chooses to break laws, you'd probably just add one more to your list. Wasn't it tax evasion they got him with and not any of the other crimes?

 

[Electrod47]

They had something like this for a Ruger 10/22 back in the 80's. Turns a perfectly accurate rifle into a noise maker. Good way to waste some ammo.

 

[Varminterror]

The larger question is whether automatic fire, itself, is just a gimmick. There are only a few situations in which the military itself uses it.

I can tell you, recognizing suppressing fire and sustained automatic fire for the force multiplier it is, when mobs of hundreds of people were breaking into and burning down homes and businesses only a mile from my home a few years ago, I would have gladly had a couple of mounted options at hand if I could. Admittedly, that was the only time in 40yrs of my life I've had such need, but in a world where my fellow citizens are afforded the right of burning down homes, I'd sure rather be also afforded the right of choice whether I want to own fully automatic options.

 

[Lo-Profile]

It just seems silly to me. I really think if the 1986 deal had not been done none of this stupid stuff would have seen the light of day.

Yeah, so much for Reagan being a great defender of the 2A.

 

[BreechFace]

Yeah, so much for Reagan being a great defender of the 2A.

Great president otherwise, but did absolutely no favors for the 2A.

 

[AlexanderA]

Yeah, so much for Reagan being a great defender of the 2A.

Reagan let the NRA take the lead on what was to happen to FOPA. I lay the blame 100% at the feet of the NRA. Reagan's only fault in this was listening to the NRA, but remember that at the time the NRA was thought to be the experts on anything having to do with the 2nd Amendment.

 

[Hooda Thunkit]

Reagan let the NRA take the lead on what was to happen to FOPA. I lay the blame 100% at the feet of the NRA. Reagan's only fault in this was listening to the NRA, but remember that at the time the NRA was thought to be the experts on anything having to do with the 2nd Amendment.

Yep. The NRA has backed every major piece of gun control at the Federal level for a hundred years.
Gun control in 1936? Yep, NRA backed it.
1968?. Yep, we don't need inexpensive import guns, and we definitely need more Fed oversight with FFLs.
1986? Yep, NRA figured we didn't need auto.
So called "Assault" rifle ban in 1994?. Yep, NRA loved it.


The NRA even backed the Sullivan Act in NYC.

Sometimes I wonder if anyone ever reads history. The NRA is not, and has never been a solid 2A defender like it says it is.

 

[Ed4032]

You can accomplish the same thing with a rubber band around the trigger and around the mag well. Still a bad idea.