how you deal with an encounter on the side of the road

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speedracer81

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okay guys, before I got my ccw and came to the decision to carry, I encounted a disgruntled biker who obviously was confusing my red, 4wd chevy pickup truck with someone else's who lives in south ga (go figure). he followed me for miles trying to get me to pull over. when we started to get closer to my destination I decided i would rather let this play out away from my friends house so he was not involved. so I pulled over and got out the truck. luckily I was able to talk to the guy down and convice him that i was not the guy he was looking for. what if I had been armed and what if he refused to be defused? what am I legally capable of doing to this man on the side of the road?
 
I don't think you're legally capable of killing someone unless you feel your life is in danger. This won't hold up in court unless the person is attacking you. As for drawing the gun, that's a question I too would like answered. If I'm being threatened and backed against a wall by a screaming psychopath I feel it should be my right to draw a weapon, even if he hasn't expressly mentioned he's going to kill me. But the law's the law. Everyone I've asked just says to find a local lawyer, but I'm wondering if that's always sound advice considering the terrible legal advice a person could get from "just any lawyer". Perhaps contacting someone at the DA would suffice, which I will eventually do.
 
I agree, the last thing I wanna do is kill this guy, it wourd probably come down to a fist fight and that would be ok. I'd rather one of us take a beating and both leave breathing, but whos to say this guy is not packing and edge weapon or a firearm? only fire when fired upon doesn't quite fit either...
 
Getting out of the truck was an error.

A pickup truck packs more foot-pounds than a pistol ... it makes a fairly deadly weapon. And an angry biker has to get you out of said truck before he can successfully beat you up. By getting out, you have disarmed yourself.

My solution:

Drive to the nearest cop shop. If Mr. Roadrage wants to play silly-f*cker games, he should have a LEO audience.
 
Ok I saw this one on TV, biker meets Handsome Robs Mini Cooper car door & biker goes flying into flood drain, The Itallian Job. Seriously don't get out and oblige the guy to carjack you, stab you, or kill you. Drive to the nearest police station if you are dealing with a serious case of road rage.
 
+1 Stay in truck! Said truck provides great cover, mobility, and is a force multiplying son of a gun. There are few sure bets in life, but truck beats bike is there among'em!
 
Well technically, you're never allowed to "kill" someone. You are allowed to stop them using deadly force in some situations which may result in their death. But you're really only allowed to stop the life-threatening behavior. The killing itself is a byproduct. And if anyone ever asks, you shot to stop, not to kill.
 
Jeez, so you're saying a guy on a motorcycle was menacing you while you were in a 4x4 chevy truck?

Why didn't yo just find a nice place to go off road?

Assuming he didn't have a dirt bike he'd have been up the creek without a paddle, hahah.
 
Jeez, so you're saying a guy on a motorcycle was menacing you while you were in a 4x4 chevy truck?

Why didn't yo just find a nice place to go off road?

Assuming he didn't have a dirt bike he'd have been up the creek without a paddle, hahah.


Ahhh, I like that, LOL
 
Offer to buy him a brew and he will immediately transform into a *gruntled* biker.

I know.

Biker
 
I like the idea of pulling into the fire station or police station best but another option would be to simply keep driving. Motorcycles have reasonably small fuel tanks and in most situations, a car/truck with 1/2 or better tank of gas will be able to simply out last the bike.
 
Like many have said, best to keep driving, and call the police if you can. Keep in mind if you do decide to pull over to settle things that you may not be the only one packing, and some folks take fighting seriously. Limiting the tactics to truck vs. bike also limits what can go wrong. There have been a times where I was on my bike, and some folks in a truck took exception to my horn blast as they cut me off. I had no other choice but to pull into the closest public lot park my bike, call the cops and make sure I kept them in sight. This happened in MD, so all I had was a ballpeen hammer and a knife(no CCW) I just put a 4' concrete wall between me and them after I parked my bike, they just drove around in circles for a couple minutes, and then left as soon as the first police car pulled into the lot.
 
The following are suggestions for road rage in general:

1) Do not aknowledge, stare down or attempt to difuse the situation while driving. A lot of hand signals that might mean "I'm sorry" or "I don't know you" could just aggravate the attacker. In addition, your attempts to difuse make it harder to drive correctly thus endangering yourself.
2) Do not pull over until you reach a PD, FD, or military base.
3) Do not try evasive maneuvers. If someone else sees you swerve or do anything else 'tactical' and they report it to the police, you are now a BG.
4) If the situation is threatening (aka guy is swerving towards you or appears to have a weapon) call 911 and report it. if anything does go down, 911 will have your side of the story first. They can also direct you to the nearest PD.
 
I won't pretend to be knowlegeable about the law in GA, but in UT, if they attempt to take control of your car, you may use deadly force, the rationale being, 'if they take your car forcefully, who knows what they might do in it.'

Staying away from your friend is fine, but go to someplace with a lot of people and surveillance 24-7. (A wal-mart parking lot.) Make sure that whatever happens isn't alone on a deserted road.
 
all sounds like good advice to me... especailly the part about truck vs. bike ( I forgot to mention its a diesel dually).
 
"Getting out of the truck was an error."

Big boo-boo. Drive to the closest police station or flag down a policeman, if possible. Do not stop for anyone who is trying to pull you over unless it is a policeman in a marked car.
 
Well for everyone who said "Dont get out of the truck" I would like to add "Don't get in a fight while you're still in the truck." I've seen fights between someone out of the car and someone in the car, and the guy in the car always gets his butt kicked.

So the rule of fighting here is you either don't stop, get out of the truck to fight, or use the truck as a weapon when the fight starts.

Being seated in a vehicle when some guy is at your window is a horrible fighting position.
 
How about calling 911 and explaining what's happening and waiting for LEO to catch up to you?

I don't know, maybe drive in a several-block pattern so you're easier to find by the cops.

Oh yeah: dually = big, big, weapon :)

Take care,
DFW1911
 
It really was your fault, from what I've been told.

Besides using your mirrors, you also have to turn your head and actually look.









:neener:
 
When I'm driving around I never stop for lifters, people trying to stop me, bikers in the middle of the road, a beautiful lady asking for direction or something like that.

It may be antisocial, but there are too many carjackings this way to risk it. I had a couple of people tell me they encountered a person in the middle of the road, next to a bicycle. once they made clear they weren't stopping, the guy or girl got up quickly and got to the side of the road. Clearly a carjacking attempt.

However, if I see a car wrapped around a tree or a multi car collision without any paramedics or police present, I will stop as I am legally obliged to do, and try and help.

It's still dangerous to stop, in a city I always lock my doors and am always in gear at a light to get out if necessary. On the open road, as long as you have momentum, you have the upper hand.

I often drive a friends Beemer 5-series around which is currently quite popular for theft and 'jackings, so I am always more careful.
 
Fight it out?

The very good advice to never leave your shield/weapon/vehicle while you still have gas and a route to escape has been very clearly driven home.

I'd like to address the idea that I've heard shared a number of times that maybe you and the accosting person should just square off and go bare-knuckle, "mano 'a mano."

Someone once said that anyone who thinks that it may be better to fight it out man-to-man -- and take your licks if you can't best the other guy -- watches waaaay too much TV.

Real-world fights, beatings, and other non-firearm violent interactions very often lead to fatality. And if they don't lead to a death, then often to crippling and/or job-impairing injuries that take months/years to heal if they ever do.

You may lay the guy out cold with a swift haymaker and then disengage like a gentleman -- and the two of you part ways with your best Cagney one liner, "let that be a lesson to you, see!"

Or he may be a hair faster, or stronger, or quicker, or more skilled, or just more determined, and you end up with serious bone and internal organ injuries or brain damage, which will end your life as you know it.

Or the other "gentleman" may see your offer to get out and engage in fisticuffs as a perfect opportunity to draw his own weapon and kill you without bloodying the seats in "his" new truck!

Violence is deadly. Force is deadly force. Never give up an advantage. Never treat assault as a risk you'll face willingly.

Drive on, disengage, make every attempt to break contact. If all else fails, I would even go so far as to recommend announcing and displaying your weapon if that's what it takes to convince the assailant to back off. If someone sees that you are armed and is still willing to bring the fight to you, it is time to shoot. When he closes that distance, your continued existence is a roll of the dice.
 
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