Huffington Post Blog is a SHAM

[mike101]

The battle with the Brady Campaign has moved to the Huffpo Blog, since Helmke closed comments on Brady. You can't get there through the front door. You have to go to the Brady Blog first, then click on the link to Huffpo.

They claim that they don't censor comments, except for personal attacks, profanity, and being off topic. They are lying through their teeth. It depends which direction the personal attacks, and profanity are coming from. They seem to have no problem printing anything the anti's have to say.

The fact is, if they don't like what you have to say, or if they know an anti can't refute it, they won't print it. All comments have to be pre-approved. In the last couple of days, I've only seen about half of my posts. The half that were deleted contained zero profanity and personal attacks, and none were off topic. I wonder how much luck the other pro-gunners are having.

Anyone who thinks THR is over-moderated, ought to take a gander at these people.

 

[RuffRidr]

Is it surprising that an organization that wants to do away with your 2nd amendment rights, also doesn't care a whole lot about your 1st amendment rights?

--RuffRidr

 

[GTSteve03]

Seems like they've resorted to the stick your fingers in your ears and shout "LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU!" method of argument.

 

[K-Romulus]

Only the most-cracked among the far-left crackpots read the HuffPost.

How do I know? One data point: None of the socialists at work have ever even HEARD of it.

And this is coming from a Democrat . . .

 

[American_Pit_Bull]

Why would anyone try to post comments on the Huffington Post? I can hardly stand any of the liberal tripe that is spewed over there.

 

[DirksterG30]

Is it surprising that an organization that wants to do away with your 2nd amendment rights, also doesn't care a whole lot about your 1st amendment rights?

I too am less than amazed at this info.

 

[ozwyn]

It is only by ignoring the first amendment can they build a argument for their anti-2nd amendment stance, as the lack of argument they consistently provide could not stand a minute's worth of free debate.

They have to attack your right to free speech because with free speech and actual disclosure of the facts behind gun rights, the evil truth of gun control becomes apparent.

and yes, I do mean EVIL truth.

 

[Car Knocker]

Is it surprising that an organization that wants to do away with your 2nd amendment rights, also doesn't care a whole lot about your 1st amendment rights?

It is only by ignoring the first amendment can they build a argument for their anti-2nd amendment stance,

The Huffington Post Blog is a private board, as is THR, and the First Amendment doesn't apply to private property. The owners can formulate any policy they chose for their board - if you don't like it, start your own board.

 

[Mannlicher]

HuffPo attracts, and features the most radical and the nastiest of the nut roots.
Read anything there at your own mental health peril.

 

[mike101]

"Why would anyone try to post comments on the Huffington Post?"

Normally, I wouldn't bother. But it's the only way to respond to Helmke's drivel, until Brady blog is reopened. He has foisted his problems off on them. At least on the Brady Blog, they printed our posts.

"The Huffington Post Blog is a private board, as is THR, and the First Amendment doesn't apply to private property. The owners can formulate any policy they chose for their board - if you don't like it, start your own board."

Are you sticking up for these people? As far as I know, THR doesn't violate it's own rules. Huffpo evidently hasn't read theirs.

 

[Zen21Tao]

HuffPo attracts, and features the most radical and the nastiest of the nut roots.
Read anything there at your own mental health peril.

Funny the Brady Camping, that to be moderate on gun-control laws (yeah, right) , cross posts its blog on HuffPo. I am also one there on HuffPo representing the pro-gun side.

Why would anyone try to post comments on the Huffington Post?

You don't change minds by preaching only to the choir, sometimes you have to get in the mud to save the swine. This is why we are there (well, at least I am), for the sole purpose of using true facts and logic to disprove the many wild claims of the anti-gun folks and to present true facts and logic to frame the arguments of pro-gun side in the proper light. We don't expect to change the minds of the "true believers"/sheeple, but we do think we can reach the undecided fence sitters that haven't yet made up their minds or that have made up their mind based on information they don't know is false but are open minded enough to challenge those beliefs. We present sited facts and logic to disprove false/empty claims, emotional appeals, false logic, etc. In return, we only receive ad hominem attacks and more false logic. The fence sitters see this.

 

[benEzra]

What is a fairly conservative REPUBLICAN with authoritarian views doing blogging on HuffPost?

Do you have a link to his HuffPost blog? I'd like to watch that one. (And yes, I read HuffPost daily.)

HuffPost has a policy that a blogger who passes on demonstrable falsehoods gets booted. If Helmke opens his mouth about "assault weapons," he's toast if he parrots the typical Bradyite claims, if other HuffPost members call him on the falsehoods (and I sure as heck will).

 

[Car Knocker]

Are you sticking up for these people? As far as I know, THR doesn't violate it's own rules. Huffpo evidently hasn't read theirs.

No, I'm saying that there is no First Amendment issue with what they are doing. The First Amendment does not apply.

 

[mike101]

1. OK, Carknocker, but what I'm saying is, we abide by their policy, and still get deleted. It seems that if I post anything much before noon, it doesn't see daylight. It might be just one moderator with a Napolean complex.

2. What Zen said. And it does work, sometimes. We converted an anti, and won over a fence sitter on the Brady blog. There were probably more who just lurked, and never posted anything.

3. Here you go Ben http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-helmke
Have at 'em. Welcome aboard. It's kind of strange that you can't get there directly by logging on to the Huffpo Blog, and clicking on Politics, but you can't. You have to go to Brady Blog, if you can still call it a blog, first.

 

[Justin]

Helmke is a liar.

The only places where he appears to be an authority to those unfamiliar with the RKBA issue are the venues where he is allowed to spout off unopposed- cable television news; his own blog, which does not allow comments and evidently the Huffington Post.

 

[Regolith]

Their refusal to allow dissent heartens me, actually. It shows that they are not confident in their stance, and they themselves don't believe they can win in an actual debate. It means they are losing, and they are trying desperately to not lose any more influence than they already have.

 

[Cmdr. Gravez0r]

I hate to spoil the party but the HuffPo is not censoring your free speech as per the constitiuion, which says the Guavamint may not censor free speech. The HuffPo is not part of the Guavamint.

 

[Autolycus]

Why does anyone care?

 

[American_Pit_Bull]

You don't change minds by preaching only to the choir, sometimes you have to get in the mud to save the swine. This is why we are there (well, at least I am), for the sole purpose of using true facts and logic to disprove the many wild claims of the anti-gun folks and to present true facts and logic to frame the arguments of pro-gun side in the proper light. We don't expect to change the minds of the "true believers"/sheeple, but we do think we can reach the undecided fence sitters that haven't yet made up their minds or that have made up their mind based on information they don't know is false but are open minded enough to challenge those beliefs. We present sited facts and logic to disprove false/empty claims, emotional appeals, false logic, etc. In return, we only receive ad hominem attacks and more false logic. The fence sitters see this.

There aren't many fence-sitters on Huffington... Hardcore radical liberals is more like it.. Any efforts to educate would be a waste of time.

I am all for educating the moderate fence-sitters, hardcore libs are too far gone.

 

[Zen21Tao]

The only places where he appears to be an authority to those unfamiliar with the RKBA issue are the venues where he is allowed to spout off unopposed- cable television news; his own blog, which does not allow comments and evidently the Huffington Post.

Justin, you hit the nail on the head about Helmke. We continued to politely use facts and logical reasoning to disprove every claim in every article he posted. He never once responded to a single one of our posts, even though we continuously asked him to address our facts. Finally, to justify closing the comments section down completely, he started a "reasoned discourse?" series where he presented 3 examples of what he said were proof that pro-gunners inability to "engage in reasoned discourse."

However, rather than try to find posts that actually appeared in the comment section to prove his claim (which obviously were not available), he took 2 posts that were captured in the "moderation queue" and filtered out (not being posted for others to see) and 1 post that he claimed was faxed to his office. Also, 2 of the 3 posts he used were submitted by one time only posters that never actually posted anything to the comments section, ever. Meanwhile, the only actual comments that did continue to make it to the comments section which did exhibited a lack a reasoned discourse were the numerous personal attacks on us by the anti-gun Kelli. Paul had no comment on these posts.

 

[mike101]

"There aren't many fence-sitters on Huffington... Hardcore radical liberals is more like it.."

That's true. But we're not seeing the Huffpo people here, because you can only get to it through the Brady Blog. We are seeing the Brady Blog people, and there are fence-sitters, and convertable antis that visit the Brady blog. I find it real hard to deal with the Huffpo people too.

Tecumseh- "Why does anyone care?"

Because we're trying to bring people over to our side of the fence. Why don't YOU care? What have you done to help the cause lately?

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Personal Barbs

Hey!

Leave the personal barbs out of it.

. . .

So, there's this blog . . . that's invisible unless you go through Brady . . . and they're having a group think fest.

Are they using this private venue to actually do any planning?

I mean, if they're not able to do anything coherent, I'm not sure they're worth a lot of effort.

Unless, of course, there's a large "fence sitting" demographic that goes there.

 

[ROMAK IV]

You will discover, and why you would be amazed is beyond me, that anti gun advocates LIE! Most of us here, and gun rights suporters in general, want to make statements and arguments that are true. The well known sometimes advisor for Bill Clinton, (for some reason his name escapres me) justified the lies of the Clinton Campaign, (wait it was Dick Morris) said it was justifiable because the Republicans were so dangerous. Most blogs associated with progressives don't allow comments or moderate them quite excessively. I was enjoying leaving comments at the Times Union blog, that I discovered through this forum, when Robyn cut off comments. She said it was because of extreme comments by RKBA advocates, but we can guess the real reason, she couldn't take the heat! When you also make obviously false claims about firearms, like "semiauto Assault weapons are designed to be fired from the hip", and call them "bullet hoses", ... (I'll stop, I could go on for several pages) you tend to avoid the truth.

 

[mike101]

I notice that no comments went up on Helmke's blog at all, on Friday. Either the mods had the day off, or Huffpo is catching on to the fact that Helmke is going to get spanked every time he opens his mouth.

 

[Zen21Tao]

I have noticed on HuffPo the comment count number rising but no new posts showing up. In fact, currently it says there are 71 posts but I went through and could only count 64. This makes me really wonder if HuffPo has started to handpick the posts they let show up now. So much for integrity.