Hughes Amendment Repeal?

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There is another avenue conceivable for working around the Hughes Amendment through a SCOTUS roll-back of federal powers under the commerce clause of the 10th amendment. My opinion is that the Firearms Freedom Act has no chance of being successful at SCOTUS but it’s an important effort politically and I fully support it.

The modal regulations exclude MG but if successful that could be addressed through follow up suits.

If you’re not aware of the effort I attached a quick-read link. I was surprised with the number of states that either passed or are considering it. I think it’s worth a few minutes to read and perhaps send a supporting note to your state legislature.


http://firearmsfreedomact.com/
 
I would make sure that the FFA bill that is passed in your state covers MGs. If IIRC the Arizona bill didnt include class 3 firearms and Im sure the BAFTE won't simply stop arresting people who violate an laws because of this legislation and I wouldnt want to be a test case
 
Dead thread revival.

I wonder how this could potentially affect Active Military members? Under Federal law we are considered residents of a state for purchase of firearms, so long as it is in compliance with state/local laws. So if we bought a firearm in an FFA state and got orders to transfer out of state, would I have to give up any otherwise SBR, select fire/auto weapons, integrally suppressed, or "other" weapons (say over .50 cal) I may have?

Sounds like we could end up getting in a legal bind if not careful with this one.
 
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wonder how this could potentially affect Active Military members? Under Federal law we are considered residents of a state for purchase of firearms, so long as it is in compliance with state/local laws. So if we bought a firearm in an FFA state and got orders to transfer out of state, would I have to give up any otherwise SBR, select fire/auto weapons, integrally suppressed, or "other" weapons (say over .50 cal) I may have?
Its nothing but conjecture at this point, as no one in the states that have passed such bills are actively marketing otherwise restricted weapons to their residents. However, if it were to ever happen, I sincerely doubt military members nor anyone else would be granted exemptions for trasferring them out of the state of manufacture. The bills passed were prety specific about the weapons being only sold to residents for instate use. Anything else would fall outside the provisions of the bill, and be regulated by current federal law....basically making you a felon the momennt you cross state lines with that firearm
 
How about making new MGs legal for corporations?

This may be more acceptable for Congress... this is an issue now, what with movie gun rental places needing more guns, and firearm manufacturers wanting to buy competitor's products for testing.


AND anyone can form their own corporation!
 
FA + 10 round mags = :(

As others have pointed and I agree with, there are more current issues to deal with before we get to the Hughs amendment. But yeah I'd like to see it repealed.
 
One other hurdle may be internal to the gun community. If the Hughes Amendment is repealed or amended we expect the price of MGs to drop significantly. If that occurs the current owners of full auto firearms (which may have cost $5-$20k each) would see the value of their collections drop overnight. I wonder of the owners of such expensive firearms are dedicated enough to support a legislative change that is against their own best financial interests. I would like think they are.


There would be some drop in prices on guns that could be made from kits, conversions and guns that were in production at the time of the 86 ban, ie; Thompsons, 1919A4's MK760, MAC 10 etc. But the all original guns would hold their value.
 
Where to start then? What kind of suit would it take at the court level to attack NFA? Its becoming critical to our country that we arm.
 
Does the 2nd amendment specifically protect guns of military value?

1938 U.S. vs Miller (from wikipedia FWIW):
The government's argument was that the short barreled shotgun was not a military-type weapon and thus not a "militia" weapon protected by the Second Amendment, from federal infringement. The District Court agreed with Miller's argument that the shotgun was legal under the Second Amendment.
The District Court ruling was overturned on a direct appeal to the United States Supreme Court (see United States v. Miller). No brief was filed on behalf of the defendants, and the defendants themselves did not appear before the Supreme Court. No evidence that such a firearm was "ordinary military equipment" had been presented at the trial court (apparently because the case had been thrown out—at the defendants' request—before evidence could be presented), and the Supreme Court indicated it could not take judicial notice of such a contention.
So "ordinary military equipment" falls under constitutional protection?
By that view, a FA AK-47 would be more protected than a Serbu, and therefore should be at least as easy to obtain. It, however, is not... by a long shot.

I would much rather see a $2000 tax, than the situation we're in now. FAs are disappearing by slow attrition.
...and can never, ever be replaced. The Hughes amendment is not regulatory, it is a prohibition in everything but name. It will eventually lead to the disappearance of an entire class of militia-relevant firearms from civilian hands.

I don't think the Hughes amendment will stand up to scrutiny in court, because at its core it makes weapons illegal based solely on date of manufacture. Explain to me why possession of a FA M16 lower made in 1980 is acceptable, but the exact, same contraption made in 1990 is not. Could it be that the real intent of the law is to limit the right to own a militia weapon to a select few citizens.. and then, in time, to none?

Now if the courts determine that the Second Amendment is only about hunting, and that weapons of significant value for militia service are not protected by law, then that is another story. OR if courts uphold the right of government to limit access to constitutionally protected items (guns) by way of price fixing, or ridiculously high taxes, then that too is another story. I don't think either of those scenarios are likely.

One other hurdle may be internal to the gun community.
SO true! but due to apathy more than greed. If the Hughes amendment isn't struck down it is because of us shooters and our blatant unwillingness.The biggest hurdle to repealing is the reluctance of the gun owning community itself to admit that full auto firearms are in fact very much legal, reasonable to own and a constitutional right... and then go out and ASK for them. WE are brainwashed that FA is not appropriate, or desirable.
 
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IMO: Congressional action to repeal Hughes is not going to happen. Very few politicians in DC want their name associated with any bill that would allow the average citizen to buy a new full auto weapon.
 
I don't even want one (from a realistic, $$ standpoint)

But I want the right and means to procure one as a free man.
 
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