Huh. Ruger cerakoted my Wrangler bore. No wonder its inaccurate.

[silicosys4]

Well that makes sense. In the wrangler vs RR thread I was posting about the accuracy problems i've had with my wrangler, very inaccurate 3"-4" ̶g̶r̶o̶u̶p̶s̶ patterns 5" low, with a seated two handed rest.



and found this. Notice the inside of the barrel is the same color as the outside of the barrel.
Yup. The bore was cerakoted, it looks like for at least the first half inch from the crown down.
Looks like I'll be calling Ruger on Monday.


So if you've got accuracy problems, cerakote inside your bore might be one of your issues. I'm just lucky I picked a FDE finish. I doubt I'd ever have noticed if I'd picked a grey or black finish.

 

[film495]

is your plan to see if you can shoot that out, or are you contacting Ruger?

 

[silicosys4]

is your plan to see if you can shoot that out, or are you contacting Ruger?

i'm not going to waste any more ammo trying to fix Rugers QC issue. Its going back to Ruger.

 

[Palladan44]

It's a 179$ revolver ...... I personally don't see an issue so far with the results.
I'm happy to see it makes round holes in paper at least. With the fixed sights, you likely have to simply change your sight picture/POA. Pretty common thing to have to do with fixed sight revolvers, for me anyways. That alone I'm sure is why the group is a tad low. Go out to further range it might be dead on...
Any new firearm barrel needs a "break in period". For this gun, I'm gonna say start Judging after 200 rounds. The cerakote will be gone after that and a couple cleanings, I guarantee it.

You can contact Ruger if you'd like, but I wouldn't bother if it were mine.

Also, experimentation with a number of brands/types of ammo to find one she likes best will pay dividends.
Good luck.

 

[silicosys4]

It's a 179$ revolver ...... I personally don't see an issue so far with the results.
I'm happy to see it makes round holes in paper at least. With the fixed sights, you likely have to simply change your sight picture/POA. Pretty common thing to have to do with fixed sight revolvers, for me anyways. That alone I'm sure is why the group is a tad low. Go out to further range it might be dead on...
Any new firearm barrel needs a "break in period". For this gun, I'm gonna say start Judging after 200 rounds. The cerakote will be gone after that and a couple cleanings, I guarantee it.

You can contact Ruger if you'd like, but I wouldn't bother if it were mine.

Also, experimentation with a number of brands/types of ammo to find one she likes best will pay dividends.
Good luck.

All this is why I don't recommend Wranglers any more. I get that the design of a Wrangler is fundamentally better than a RR, but if Ruger is going to put out guns with frickin cerakote in the bore, why would I bother with all that when I could buy a RR that will do the job its built to do better than the Ruger? I get that not all Wranglers have this problem but come on.
Would you buy a car that has paint overspray covering the windshield, no matter how good of a reputation that car has? I wouldn't and I wouldn't accept a car I'd ordered being delivered to me like that.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Id shoot it out, or worst case give it a few passes with a brass bore brush. No way Id send it back to Ruger.....but go ahead if thats your thing.
Incidentally, if I bought a Nissan Versa (the automotive equivalent to the Wrangler) with a little overspray on the windshield, well some acetone will clean that right up.

 

[silicosys4]

Id shoot it out, or worst case give it a few passes with a brass bore brush. No way Id send it back to Ruger.....but go ahead if thats your thing.
Incidentally, if I bought a Nissan Versa (the automotive equivalent to the Wrangler) with a little overspray on the windshield, well some acetone will clean that right up.

This is at least 200 rounds in and it hasn't gotten any better. Revolvers that shoot better than 4" groups, 5" low at 10 yards are definitely my thing. Its on Ruger to make that happen, not on me to mcgyver a way to get cerakote out of a bore.

The bore is one thing I insist that the manufacturer get right.
I get that you probably like and want to defend the Wrangler. But come on.
Nobody is going to willingly take possession of a brand new car off the lot that has a windshield covered in overspray,
And nobody who knows anything about firearms accepts that cerakote in the bore and subsequent poor accuracy is anything but a manufacturing defect that is on the manufacturer to address.

 

[NIGHTLORD40K]

Actually, I have no desire to buy a Wrangler or Versa as I consider them both consumer goods whos defining design criteria was "make the cheapest ___ we can and not lose our butts on warranty repairs."
But then, I dont really buy any new guns or cars. I work for a "luxury" brand auto maker and they are unreliable junk. My opinion of most new gun production is about the same- QC is a thing of the past, doesn't matter if its Ruger or S&W.
I hope they make it right for you, anyways.

 

[Palladan44]

The gun is just fine.. If there is any Cerakote left in the bore I'm sure it isn't doing anything to your accuracy at this point.

PROBLEM #1 hitting low:
I'm certain that the 4" low thing is strictly your POA / sight picture your using.
It's not wrong. It just doesn't jive well with the wrangler. Align the sight so you can see the entire blade (rather than maybe burying the blade) I to like to "bury the blade" so that just the tippy top is visible as well, but it often ends up hitting a little low....

PROBLEM #2. Group Size.
Your group has 2 or so flyers that are outside, but there's at least 12 other shots that are in an acceptable 1.5" or so group. (Thats a regular paper plate, right??) That's what I would expect out of a .22 LR revolver of that type. 90% of your hits are in a great grouping...

Again, try some different ammo. You'll likely see a difference. .22 LR ammo can yield some flyers in an of themselves. Especially from a shorter barrel and a weapon that has a [probably big] cylinder gap.
How's the trigger? Not crisp, hard to pull?
If so, that will make for bigger groups, regardless of the support whether off hand or rested, braced, etc.

 

[Pat Riot]

I’d call Ruger and see what they say. Can’t hurt.

 

[TTv2]

Actually, I have no desire to buy a Wrangler or Versa as I consider them both consumer goods whos defining design criteria was "make the cheapest ___ we can and not lose our butts on warranty repairs."
But then, I dont really buy any new guns or cars. I work for a "luxury" brand auto maker and they are unreliable junk. My opinion of most new gun production is about the same- QC is a thing of the past, doesn't matter if its Ruger or S&W.
I hope they make it right for you, anyways.

I've never equated luxury for reliability, which is why I buy base model vehicles, but regardless when a manufacturer advertises you a product, it should be sold as advertised. Pretty sure cerakoted bores are not advertised, same as windshields with paint on them.

IDK how much of an impact the cerakote has on the accuracy, it must be detrimental, so Ruger should fix it. That said, I've not found these cheap single action .22's to be all that accurate, however I suspect all new production .22 revolvers are going to share similar inaccuracy regardless of the price because I agree with you that QC is a thing of the past no matter who the manufacturer is.

Which is why I'm such a big fan of Taurus these days for revolvers. If all new production revolvers are going to be meh and priced mostly for the brand that's engraved on the side, then why spend double for brand X over brand Y?

 

[chicharrones]

A low end fixed sight SA revolver that the windage is that close to center? That’s a win.

Different ammo or a file on the front sight should raise POI. Pretty typical for fixed sight single action guns.

Group at 10 yards . . . Looks like close range plinking capable. Also makes me think of trying different hand holds. My smaller grip single action revolvers are kind of picky on me figuring out the “correct “ hand hold.

 

[film495]

I’d call Ruger and see what they say. Can’t hurt.

I'd be curious what they have to say.

 

[chicharrones]

I noticed in the other thread that the elevation is achieved with a 6 o clock hold. It’s worth trying with a dead center hold like a self defense pistol.

Fixed sight guns are why I like adjustable laser grips on pocket carry revolvers.

 

[OrangePwrx9]

Don't know if it attacks ceracote, but Acetone may be your friend. Scrubbing the bore with acetone patches and a brass brush might get rid of the stuff. First patch will tell you a lot. If it's black, it's working.

But be very careful to keep the acetone strictly away from the finish and any plastic. It'll dissolve them, so this is risky.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

My son had a shotgun with a factory water proof coating that had extraction problems with steel head shells. After we polished the coating out of the firing chamber, it extracted both brass and steel headed cases just fine.

Rough external coating inside the bore or firing chamber is really sloppy manufacture, in my not so humble opinion.

 

[JDeere]

Accuracy looks pretty darn good for a fixed sight inexpensive pistol. If you send it back they will probably do what you could do yourself. It's yours though so do as you please. ymmv

 

[thegatman]

Leave it alone. Change ammo or try shooting it at a farther distance,

 

[silicosys4]

The gun is just fine.. If there is any Cerakote left in the bore I'm sure it isn't doing anything to your accuracy at this point.

PROBLEM #1 hitting low:
I'm certain that the 4" low thing is strictly your POA / sight picture your using.
It's not wrong. It just doesn't jive well with the wrangler. Align the sight so you can see the entire blade (rather than maybe burying the blade) I to like to "bury the blade" so that just the tippy top is visible as well, but it often ends up hitting a little low....

PROBLEM #2. Group Size.
Your group has 2 or so flyers that are outside, but there's at least 12 other shots that are in an acceptable 1.5" or so group. (Thats a regular paper plate, right??) That's what I would expect out of a .22 LR revolver of that type. 90% of your hits are in a great grouping...

Again, try some different ammo. You'll likely see a difference. .22 LR ammo can yield some flyers in an of themselves. Especially from a shorter barrel and a weapon that has a [probably big] cylinder gap.
How's the trigger? Not crisp, hard to pull?
If so, that will make for bigger groups, regardless of the support whether off hand or rested, braced, etc.

Nah. its going back to Ruger. I know how to shoot and I know what I find acceptable or not.. This gun doesn't cut the mustard. If this is considered "acceptable", I'm not interested.

 

[silicosys4]

I noticed in the other thread that the elevation is achieved with a 6 o clock hold. It’s worth trying with a dead center hold like a self defense pistol.

Fixed sight guns are why I like adjustable laser grips on pocket carry revolvers.

In order to hit where I want to at 10 yards I have to completely cover the target with the barrel. Unacceptable at 10 yards, will get even worse at further distances. I'm not going to file half my sight away to get it fixed. Ruger needs to fix this, I'm not going to risk having my warranty voided by filing on the gun.

If filing the front sight down is the solution, then Ruger can do it for me, and they can cerakote the sight again when they are done.

 

[jmorris]

I don’t think a phone call or sending it in is going to do you any good. It’s just the way they make them. Even if you send it in they will just say, yep, that’s what they all look like when we box them up, and send it back to you.

Had a friend return a rifle to them twice a year or so ago, they did wind up trading up but the new rifle has the same issue as the other, to a lesser degree but both were impressively accurate.

First thing I do with any .22 I don’t like the results from is try another brand or type of ammunition.

What are you using as a baseline for your accuracy “standard”? I would suggest one of their Mark II and up target pistols, if you really want to hate the wrangler. They even come with sights you can adjust for any ammunition you might have.

 

[entropy]

This is at least 200 rounds in and it hasn't gotten any better. Revolvers that shoot better than 4" groups, 5" low at 10 yards are definitely my thing. Its on Ruger to make that happen, not on me to mcgyver a way to get cerakote out of a bore.

The bore is one thing I insist that the manufacturer get right.
I get that you probably like and want to defend the Wrangler. But come on.
Nobody is going to willingly take possession of a brand new car off the lot that has a windshield covered in overspray,
And nobody who knows anything about firearms accepts that cerakote in the bore and subsequent poor accuracy is anything but a manufacturing defect that is on the manufacturer to address.

You do you, boo. I for one am glad I know how to solve this quickly, easily, and virtually for free.

Would I take a car off the lot that has paint on the glass? I might, depending, or ask the dealer to take it off before I accept it. Try doing that at most LGS's, you'd get laughed at. Cabela's and the other big box stores would probably just box it back up and bring it back to the back room.

One question; Why didn't you inspect the bore before you 'took delivery'? (to use car sales parlance)


BTW, I noticed the Cerakote in the bore of the FDE Wrangler I bought. It is a non issue to me. It will be gone soon enough and, I'm not knocking down 100 yd. rams with it, though it is plenty accurate for the 10-25yd. plinking I bought for. Now if I could just get it back from my son......

 

[CoalTrain49]

I'd be curious what they have to say.

They'll say what they always say. Send it in. Ruger builds a pretty good product for the price. They have good repair service and turn around time. They'll usually send you a shipping ticket also. One has to realize however that their business model isn't to build the best in the industry, just good enough. Some others have gone down that road also. S&W revolvers comes to mind. I don't buy any of those built after 1970 because of quality issues.

If I wanted a better quality SAA I'd probably buy an Italian knock off.

The old saying, you get what you pay for is appropriate here.

I don't think it's the Ceracote in the barrel. Probably the sights or the barrel is canted. I have a Taurus revolver with a canted barrel. Not worth the time or money to fix it.

I had a Ruger 77 rifle that I sent back because of accuracy issues. They replaced the barrel but it didn't improve the 4 MOA accuracy. I sold it and took the hit.

 

[silicosys4]

BTW, I noticed the Cerakote in the bore of the FDE Wrangler I bought. It is a non issue to me.

LOL go Ruger.
Its an issue to me
Sorry, i'm not going to eat what is clearly a REALLY dumb QC issue, and apparently not an uncommon one, just so I can be in the Ruger fanboi club.

 

[WestKentucky]

Mark your cylinder with some thing temporary. Shoot each cylinder at its own unique target 5 or 10 rounds. See what you get. Results I see seem more likely to be a slight timing issue.