Huh. Ruger cerakoted my Wrangler bore. No wonder its inaccurate.

[Riomouse911]

I have .410 shotguns that throw tighter patterns. Yeesh!

I wholeheartedly admit that neither of my Wranglers is a 10-ring terror with any ammo I feed them, but both seem to shoot a lot better than yours do. I guess I got Wednesday guns, yours must be Friday guns.

10 yds, white circle is 4”. Top 4 of each were rested, bottom 2 were offhand. (The Birdshead shot better for me offhand than rested.)



Yes, ship those revolving shotguns back. That is completely unacceptable performance for new guns.

Stay safe.

 

[silicosys4]

What did Ruger have to say about it when you sent them back? Surely they sent a letter or invoice back with notes...

Note: I never complained about chipped grips in the return form or phone call to ruger and I don't live in Missouri

 

[Pat Riot]

If I were Ruger, I’d be embarrassed to send that target to a customer.

Yes, no keyholing, but that spread is abysmal.

As I was reading your comment, and agreeing, it dawned on me that S&W sent me a target to prove that my model 60 Pro was shooting just fine and in within THEIR acceptable parameters. My gun’s outer barrel sleeve kept shifting and the gun shot 5” - 6” to the right at 10 yards and it did not group well. I got the gun back with a note that it shot very well for the gun tech and they furnished a target.
There were 6 holes in the paper in about a 2 1/2” circle. The problem was the holes were .32 caliber and the model 60 Pro is a 5 shot .357 Magnum.
The note also said the issue was closed and to not send the gun back again.

I cannot believe that the grouping Ruger shows on that target is acceptable either. Notice it’s 11 holes so if they tried 2 cylinders one shot missed the paper altogether.

 

[Speedo66]

“Accuracy is within factory specifications”

Sad, I guess their standards aren’t very high.

 

[Terry G]

I'm a .22 handgun junkie. I've had the counseling, but I can't beat it. I also like Rugers but the feedback I see on this Forum and others tells me I will be avoiding the Wrangler. Pity, though. $200.00 for a Ruger? Not since the 1980's I think.

 

[Barbaroja]

I would consider sending ruger a link to this thread. It’s embarrassing for them.

 

[3Crows]

I'm a .22 handgun junkie. I've had the counseling, but I can't beat it. I also like Rugers but the feedback I see on this Forum and others tells me I will be avoiding the Wrangler. Pity, though. $200.00 for a Ruger? Not since the 1980's I think.View attachment 1134060

I feel for the OP, he wants something and is not getting something. We have all been there.

My neighbor has a Wrangler, I have a SSS (Super Single Six) and the SSS will shoot circles around the Wrangler. He had paint in the end of the barrel also. I agree it should not cost them much to put a stopper in the barrel . Back when ammo was hard to get I gave them a couple of bricks of Winchester Wildcat and then just to make them worse off a bucket of Thundercrap. I do not know if there is just so much junk in the barrel now that I cannot see the paint anymore and it no longer matters or if they finally just wore it out of there. But, the little revolver shoots okay for me, no SSS though.

I have two Benjamin pumper .22 rifles and whatever paint Benjamin sprays those rifles with also goes into the barrel. And the barrel is soft brass!!!!!!!!! And it might take decades to shoot it out at pellet gun velocities. The two rifles shot all over the place. They were almost as bad as a NASCAR dad spring Gamo rifle! I carefully removed the paint with MEK and a swab. The rifles are both laser beams now. Yeah, hey Ruger, paint in the barrel is not a good thing. Knock it off .

 

[J-Bar]

After reading this thread, I would sell them with full disclosure on the accuracy issue for whatever I could get, and forget them. And Ruger.

Life is too short to beat my head against an irresponsible corporation. Lesson learned, buy something trustworthy.

Good luck with your choice.

 

[Pat Riot]

After reading this thread, I would sell them with full disclosure on the accuracy issue for whatever I could get, and forget them. And Ruger.

Life is too short to beat my head against an irresponsible corporation. Lesson learned, buy something trustworthy.

Good luck with your choice.

What gets me is Ruger makes some great stuff. I have several of their guns and they’re great, but if Ruger wants to sell cheap guns then act cheap about it they sure as heck won’t see a dime from me on their cheap bandwagon .22 single actions.
If Ruger is making a good profit and they want to continue that then they better wake up.

@silicosys4 you should send all your gripes and info to corporate.
Oh, never mind. Ruger’s “Tell the CEO” page is turned off. FIGURES
https://www.ruger.com/dataProcess/tellTheCEO/

 

[mavracer]

I'm curious haven't read all your postings on these but have you tried any copper washed bullets. I had a 617 Smith that had a rough forcing cone and would lead up very quickly to the point it would keyhole. IE a couple cylinders with soft lubed lead like Automatch switching to copper washed and it quit.

 

[bigpower491]

Well this is a bummer. I watched the other thread the OP had on this issue. I've a few Rugers and they're all fantastic. Rugers targets? Holy......the state of the hired help these days.

Well....I'm curious as to whether or not they even read your original work order. Nowhere on your invoice does it say "remove paint/coating from bore". I'm sure you made that clear to them from the beginning that you thought that was an issue.
I reckon if give another send and return and still aren't satisfied, you have 2 choices. Move them on or play with em a bit. Instead of taking what I could get for em, I'd take the worse shooting of the 2 and break out a boresnake and the chrome polish and do some pull thru's. Clean thoroughly beforehand of course, but take a week, pull the snake with some polish thru 50 times each day. I know, it's work, but how I always lapped the barrels on rifles before assembly. Your revolvers are new, and most new guns need some rounds thru to really settle em in. Some even need to be fire lapped(My Blackhawk 45)
The keyhole issue, are you shooting indoors or out?
I agree that they almost look like the target didn't have a good backing. The only reason I say this, is that I experienced that same thing shooting a very well known 44 special load last Sunday. I had the target taped to the plywood but obviously not good enough and it was a little breezy. Had a couple funny looking holes in the paper left me scratching my head till the breeze picked up a touch.....then I saw it. The paper ripple a bit and it was a relief. For second there I thought something was wrong.
Good luck and I hope you get this sorted out

 

[Brubz]

I would consider sending ruger a link to this thread. It’s embarrassing for them.

You bring up a good point I wonder if gun manufactures monitor forums like this? this is a major gun forum with a lot of followers they should pay attention to what we say

 

[doubleh]

And I thought mine was terrible in the group department. After seeing those targets I have upgraded mine to only awful. I haven't bothered Ruger because I expected to receive exactly what the OP did in service.

 

[P89DCSS]

$200 gun gonna shoot like $200 gun. What's surprising to me Is that it's a surprise to others.

 

[WestKentucky]

Ruger products seem to be along the lines of Taurus back in the early 2000s. Either great guns or trash with very little in between. I have had a bunch of Rugers over the years and they seem generally good but certain models seem to be problematic. I had 2 gp100s about 2009 that the barrels were chattered so bad that they looked whittled rather than rifled. Those barrels were supplied by a third party while Ruger addressed growing pains. Perhaps the wrangler barrels are of similar heritage… or built on worn out tooling thought to be good enough to make barrels for a $180 gun.

 

[ontarget]

$200 gun gonna shoot like $200 gun. What's surprising to me Is that it's a surprise to others.

There are very few requirements to make a potentially accurate SA revolver.
It doesn't cost Ruger a penny more to apply proper rifling to the barrel of a Wrangler than it does a SS. Same for boring the chambers.
If the chambers and barrel are properly machined, there shouldn't be that bad of a grouping problem, as compared to a much more expensive SA such as a SS.
The cost cutting is in frame materials and associated machining, and the grips, and MIM parts. None of which should effect practical accuracy in a 22 rimfire.
A barrel with Ceracoat in it will probably cause a problem weather the gun costs $200 or $600.

 

[P89DCSS]

So many internet manufacturing experts.....

 

[JDeere]

$200 gun gonna shoot like $200 gun. What's surprising to me Is that it's a surprise to others.

True but it seems many just don't understand that the cheaper the firearm the more corners they cut. You may get lucky but that's just the way it is. Many will disagree but facts is facts...

 

[Pat Riot]

$200 gun gonna shoot like $200 gun. What's surprising to me Is that it's a surprise to others.

True, but after hearing so many rave reviews of how great these guns are the picture in the OP’s post surprised me.
I don’t own a Wrangler so I have no dog in the fight except I was considering buying one.
I have always been suspicious of many of the reviews and comments about these cheap guns. I have also been skeptical of the Rough Rider and that other cheap popular.22 revolver I just can’t remember the name of.
I think I will save my money for something else.

 

[bigpower491]

So many internet manufacturing experts.....

Having been involved in manufacturing for nearly 40 yrs, and not claiming to be an expert I'd say @ontarget makes a pretty fair assessment

 

[mavracer]

A barrel with Ceracoat in it will probably cause a problem weather the gun costs $200 or $600.

You real sure about that, an awfully lot of AR barrels have coatings in the bore and shoot fine.
Ruger used mini mags no keyholes.
And the target OP posted isn't the one they shot for accuracy the ticket clearly states the shot 6 for accuracy and another 12 to see if it would keyhole.

So many internet manufacturing experts.....

32 years worth here 2 spent on a CAU team diagnosing manufacturing problems so yeah there are some.

 

[Seedy Character]

Post your targets / complaints on rugerforum.com.

I had 3 PoS Heritage, got tired of inaccurate cheap guns and sold them. Considered Wrangler, looked at several. Couldn't bring myself to buy another cheap .22, even a Ruger. Bought a Single Six at a gunshow, 50% more than a Wrangler. Much happier, now.

 

[bannockburn]

Pat Riot

I have also been skeptical of the Rough Rider and that other cheap popular.22 revolver I just can’t remember the name of.

I'm guessing you mean the Diamondback Sidekick, a copy of the High Standard Double Nine series of DA/SA .22s that proliferated the marketplace many years ago. The frame I believe was made from an aluminum alloy, it had a 9 shot cylinder, and was also offered with a .22 Magnum cylinder.

 

[Brubz]

Post your targets / complaints on rugerforum.com.

I had 3 PoS Heritage, got tired of inaccurate cheap guns and sold them. Considered Wrangler, looked at several. Couldn't bring myself to buy another cheap .22, even a Ruger. Bought a Single Six at a gunshow, 50% more than a Wrangler. Much happier, now.

You got a single six for only 50% more than a Wrangler? that's a heck of a deal

 

[Seedy Character]

You got a single six for only 50% more than a Wrangler? that's a heck of a deal

They are out there.

Passed on one at gun show, last weekend.
He wanted $350, old, used hard, 3-screw. Offered $300, he wouldn't budge. Passed when he threw a fit I was removing zip tie to check cylinder lock up, trigger, barrel and hammer. Probably should have bought it.