Hunting video - very troubling

[.38 Special]

On a completely different note...

Cool. A wild boar proving that he is, in fact, "dangerous game". The gentlemen in question knew -- or should have known -- that they were going afield with deadly weapons after dangerous game. This is not safe, as gentleman #1 nearly discovered.

Bottom line: you plays the game, you takes your chances. As Cooper noted "The situation has been known to get out of control". You have to trust your hunting partners with your life -- even if you're not after dangerous game, you are all armed -- and if you cannot, you should find different partners or hunt by yourself.

If I have any criticism of the video, it is that I like to imagine that in #1s shoes, I would have stood my ground and solved my own troubles, rather than running and jeopardizing myself and my party.

That is, of course, very easy to say in the comfort of my own den!

 

[WayneConrad]

I guess they should have drawn up a "Four Rules, and the Allowable Exceptions Thereto" contract before they went hunting, and had it reviewed by their lawyers. Then they could undergo appropriate training with Four Rules experts before going hunting.

Or they could just react promptly to danger, trading off one risk for another, and take care of an emergency. Such as they did.

Sheesh.

Is someone going to tell me I shouldn't run with my backpack on, because there are scissors in it?

 

[atblis]

Listen to the audio

"get your gun ready!"

THe first guy was supposed to shoot the pig with his rifle. He fumbled/F.U. and the second guy with the pistol was his backup. He did in fact back him up.

Rather sloppy, but sometimes that's how things work out

 

[Jon Coppenbarger]

I have been in a situation close to that a few times. It is not fun. The first thing that comes to mind because it was on video is that I believe something was going on.
Did they know the hog was there or close to that spot? Was it already wounded and they had seen it hole up?

I had a client wound one and wanted to go into the heavy brush to get it. way to much danger as it was heavy brush so we waited tell I could get a dog on it. It was dead but I did not want to face a wounded 275# boar at 5 to 10 feet either.

I did not like the video or some of the things that they did but hell they lived threw it. It not fun have to make a trip to the emergengy room and then to the vet all in the same day after pig hunting. Been there done that as when everything happens fast you just try to react the best you can.

 

[.38 Special]

The first thing that comes to mind because it was on video is that I believe something was going on.

That struck me too. And not just one camera, but apparently two. Hmm...

 

[panzermk2]

when things get that FUBAR all rules go out the window. That was Big $ss boar and could have Killed one of those guys. It needed to be put down and fast.
Reminds me of some of those old Capstic film clips of him when surprised by a pissed Cape Buff. You shoots until you can't shoots no more and hope you hit the critter someplace were it slowed it down.

 

[f4t9r]

Never no whats going to happen and this is a good example.
People do not always do the right thing when under surprise or pressure.
Glad no hunters got shot

 

[Amish_Bill]

Personally, if it's the choice between getting winged by the bullet(s) that kill the Dangerous Critter, or letting the Dangerous Critter have it's way with my squishy bits, I'll take the risk of a few scars and an interesting story to tell.

Going after the meaner of God's creations is not a safe game. If things go wrong and you can't count on your buddies to make decisions that will get you back with as few injuries as possible, well, you made a bad choice of hunting buddies.


Life: Learning it is all about mastering the Rules. Mastering it is knowing when to break them.

 

[Fosbery]

Just a thought: when hunting boar, would it not be prudent to hunt with a bayonet attached for when the boar charges you?

 

[Werewolf]

Just a thought: when hunting boar, would it not be prudent to hunt with a bayonet attached for when the boar charges you?

I've read that some folk do indeed hunt wild boar with just a spear. In fact - the gunshop where I spend the majority of my hobby money sells boar spears - wicked looking things.

I think anyone that goes boar hunting with just a spear has very big brass ones - hell - maybe even steel ones.

 

[Fosbery]

Well before firearms boar were hunted with spears (not bows), but I was only suggesting a bayonet be used as a backup. If your first shot misses or dosn't kill the charging boar, and you don't have time for a second, he will run himself onto your blade.

 

[Lupinus]

I think anyone that goes boar hunting with just a spear has very big brass ones - hell - maybe even steel ones.

Hell I'd do it with a spear.

Now a knife I would say you are nuts. But a spear? Hell yeah

 

[ETXhiker]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the famous lion video. Now, if you want to see a situation where it's a miracle someone didn't get shot, check this out:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/lionhunt.html

 

[axeman_g]

Boars

Find some deep south Ga or Fla boy and ask them if they ever wrestled a boar! There are many of good ole boy that does this for fun, running them to the ground from behind. Hell I even saw Dick Butkus do it on TV once. That being said, I am not volunteering for that day of fun.

I once had to end an argument between my English Setter and a mountain boar while grouse hunting. Dog need sutures, board needed more salt.

It looks like a guided hunt, might haven even been canned, but it appears to me that the boar was wounded before, the way when he bluff charges the first time then immediatly without holding anything back charges. He was scared and hurt IMHO. That being said, is the rifle shot by the gentlman plowing the hillside with his bottom? If so, that is the really scary part of that video. I think he shot uphill with the boar between him and his partners.

It looks like the guide is the one with the handgun (sounds like a .40) who ends it. Or maybe it is the rifle shot?

 

[SoCalShooter]

Thanks I appreciate the video I am going boar hunting in february, however I carry a boar spear and a tomahawk, they all seemed a little bunched up however.

 

[Wesker]

C'mon guys, be realistic. Have a 250 pound wild hog charging at you do you really think you'll be in a state of mind to recite and act on the four rules?

 

[.38 Special]

Thanks for the lion video, ETXhiker. I hadn't seen it before, and it's quite exciting.

 

[Marshall]

This reminds me of a Sales Manager that was telling his salesman all he did wrong in a presentation and was making the Salesman dejected. The General Manager overheard this and asked the salesman if he made the sale. The Salesman said yes. The GM said is the customer happy? The Salesman said yes. The GM said keep it up.

Point being, if you beat someone over the head you may take away their instincts and make them second guess themselves. You might make them not even take action.

Here, I see a good thing. When it comes to saving lives, you don't question a positive outcome. Who knows, you might even piss off Angles.

 

[Lucky]

WayneConrad
I guess they should have drawn up a "Four Rules, and the Allowable Exceptions Thereto" contract before they went hunting

That seems unreasonable to you? It's a couple minutes, a few words, and then everyone knows what the other guys will do and when. A coupe minutes and a few words, you must awful important if you can't spare that.

 

[River Wraith]

If I'm ever hunting with any of you guys and am charged by a wild boar, please shoot it.

 

[WayneConrad]

And, If I'm ever hunting with any of you guys and am charged by a wild lawyer, please shoot it.

 

[meef]

Strambo...

Your points in post #22 are well reasoned and well taken.

I think though that the difference between a group of hunters and a well-trained military unit applies here.

The thread was originally about the Four Rules being violated by those hunters suddenly finding themselves in the midst of a very dangerous situation and having to react without the luxury of meditating on what might be the "safest" course of action.

My posting (yes, sarcasm aplenty) was in response to the concept of faulting them for taking what was the instinctive thing for them to do in that danger rather than pondering on what was the textbook correct thing to do.

Sure... everybody with a brain, a sense of personal responsibility and concern for others wants to be safe in their handling of firearms.

It's just that in this particular case I am reminded of the old saying that "When you're up to your ass in alligators, it's difficult to remember that your initial objective was to drain the swamp" - or something along those lines. Not saying that hunters shouldn't discuss being careful, as you suggest, but that you can't plan for every possible eventuality. And there is a difference between your average hunter and your average professional soldier.

At any rate, your service is genuinely appreciated.

 

[strambo]

Thanks meef,
My only point was there are 2 reasons why people post these things and respond. One reason may be to monday morning quarterback and gloat, feel superior. I hope this is true only for the minority of cases and posters.

The second reason and why the internet is so great is intelligent people can see something like this and think about the lessons they can apply to themselves. It isn't about criticizing the hunters anymore than I was criticizing the 4 Blackwater guys...I have tremendous respect for them. I just used their experience and mistakes to help my team stay alive. They would have wanted that and I would want the same if I died...for others to learn what they can.

The problem with high risk situations like self defense, dangerous game hunting or combat, is you cannot afford to learn by experience. Your 1st experience can kill you, too late to learn and be better. You have to learn from others and incorporate that into your realistic training and thinking.

So, some posters are just criticizing...the majority I think are trying to point out mistakes, how to correct them in order to help themselves and others in future situations.

What makes our Army good is our ability to conduct after action reviews and learn from our mistakes and not let our pride get in the way. We are having a very difficult time here in Afghanistan trying to convey that concept. They are very pridefull and will flat out refuse to talk about something they could have done better. So, it is very hard to learn and improve. They will talk about the failure of others, but that isn't the same as honest self reflection. I hope those hunters did a mini AAR to ID how to have a safer hunt next time out.

I made some embarrassing mistakes in Iraq. I wrote a "lessons learned" word document for myself for future reference, didn't pull any punches. I also cherish the feedback "course critiques" I got from my 1st class (only so far) as an NRA instructor. This is critical for any endeavor (especially high risk), its not just a military thing.

 

[Mark Whiteman]

I'm blundering into this pretty late, but I think I have a little bit different perspective to share. The local police had a hostage-taking incident in a residence a few years ago. A home invader, under the influence of chemicals, was surprised inside at night by a couple. The goblin grabbed their juvenile son and held a blade to his throat. The police, set up outside, could see this from outside through a window, and at least one officer had a shot. When it appeared the goblin was about to cut the boy, an officer took a shot through a closed window. He hit the boy instead, apparently the glass deflected the round just enough. The point being, while having the badguy hurt the boy would have been bad enough, killing him yourself is far worse. I can't imagine much sympathy if you'd killed a buddy, and have to respond, "But I was trying to save his life!"
It appeared to me that the party member nearest the hog was to the side from the shooter's perspective, and I might've taken the shot myself had the hog been about to gore my partner from that angle. The hunter appears to go down, but I think he just stumbled, as the hog definitely took a round.
If I was the target of a hog like that, I don't really have a preference between hog and .44mag, but I would prefer to keep my toodles, thank you.

 

[TimboKhan]

Call me silly, but I have no problems with this, and I have been shot. If anyone is particular about the 4 rules, it be me, mateys. It appears that these cats waited until reasonable options were gone, and took what they deemed to be appropriate steps to stop the threat. Further, I think I can forgive the guy sweeping his buddies because A: He was falling down a hill and B: He was falling down a hill with a big boar right behind him. I feel certain his mind was more focused on not getting a tusk rammed into his esophagus than it was on following the 4 rules. Could something very, very bad have happened in this instance? Absolutely! No question about that. But, something very, very bad likely would have happened had they not taken the steps they did.