deputy bruce
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I hope to buy a 444 marlin cva would like to know how the round works for the members
Like dh1633pm, I personally would go with a 45-70. I had 444 Marlin for a while. There was nothing wrong with it, it's just that I'm a tinkerer when it comes to handloading, and I bought that 444 with the thought in mind that I could load it with some of my own, cast 300 grain bullets that I use in my .44 Magnum revolvers occasionally. Well, that didn't work out at all - with those 300 grain bullets seated to their crimp grooves, the completed .444 Marlin cartridges were far too long to work my rifle's action.I hope to buy a 444 marlin cva would like to know how the round works for the members
Sorry but the .45-70 has been used on the largest of African game. The .30-06 need not apply.A 30-06 or even 308 loaded with much more commonly available bullets will easily out perform either even on the largest game with a fraction of the recoil.
Citation needed. A 500gr at 1300fps was considered "borderline for anything but deer"? You're gonna have to substantiate that nonsense.Look at it this way, when the 30-30 was introduced it was considered far more powerful than the 45-70. When the 30-06 was introduced hunters dumped 45-70 in favor of 30-06 and noted a huge improvement on large bear and other large game. The round was considered borderline for anything but deer in its day and was all but obsolete for almost 100 years before being brought back from the dead by Marlin along with colorful advertising.
Doesn't matter. All those cartridges gained was range. All modern .45-70 loads gain is range. A 500gr .458" bullet at 1300fps will fully traverse anything on the continent.I'm not going to look it up but the old 45-70 that was superceded by the 30-30 & 30-06 was a pretty anemic load for the Springfield.
Modern loads for Marlin and even hotter for Ruger single shots carry plenty of juice for anything on 4 legs on any continent.
Same comparison goes for the 45 LC.
Yeppers, I didn't mention it in my previous post in this thread, but you can put me in the "wuss" category too when it comes to handling a .444 Marlin's recoil. I helped a buddy sight in his new .416 Remington Magnum (Model 70 Winchester) a few years back, and I'll tell you what - that .416 Rem Mag hurt me, but it sure as heck didn't hurt me any worse than the lever action .444 Marlin I once owned.I traded my .444 Marlin lever-action to my gunsmith. I was too much of a wuss to handle the recoil. In fact, I still have about 40 factory loads.
Heavy-recoiling guns are not for me and that includes the .45-70.
500gr .458" bullet at 1300fps will fully traverse anything on the continent.
What YOU are impressed with is irrelevant, as is trajectory. Fact remains that at original ballistics, the .45-70 is absolutely NOT "borderline for anything but deer". As I already pointed out, all the smallbores gained was range.I am not impressed with any size rifle bullet at 1300 fps. That is pathetically slow. My 458 AR and casull revolver will do that. Mortar like trajectories.
What YOU are impressed with is irrelevant, as is trajectory. Fact remains that at original ballistics, the .45-70 is absolutely NOT "borderline for anything but deer". As I already pointed out, all the smallbores gained was range.
You're completely missing the point, just to argue. Did you actually read what I was responding to? Do you agree that a 500gr .458" bullet at 1300fps is "borderline for anything but deer"?My bow kills deer and elk also. It's trajectory is relevant. 1300 fps is a joke in a rifle. Yeah, according to you who cares about range. Only serious hunters.