Hypothetical: Your police service weapon
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Highland Ranger
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I'll third the USP 45 and add a S&W 329PD (44 mag) as a BUG
Oracle
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I'd go with a Glock 17 or 19 as primary sidearm (officer choice) and G26 as BUG/off-duty weapon. 9mm is inexpensive to buy for training (meaning that more ammunition or training could be bought with limited training dollars), and with many modern bullet designs (like the Winchester Ranger 127gr. +p+, which both Glocks can easily handle), they are just as effective as any other handgun round, plus, the recoil is mild and that means that it is easier to train all officers to shoot well. I also think that it's a distinct advantage that the BUG can use the same magazines as the duty weapon/primary sidearm.
For other weapons, I think that a Mossberg 590 or Remington 870 12-gauge shotgun woudl be a good bet, as well as a AR-15 or shorty FAL in the trunk.
For other weapons, I think that a Mossberg 590 or Remington 870 12-gauge shotgun woudl be a good bet, as well as a AR-15 or shorty FAL in the trunk.
tulsamal
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If it is just a matter of picking a gun for me, I think the M58 was the finest "cop revolver" that S&W ever made. Sort of a larger M&P in .41. I've got one from the first year of production (1964) with the original numbered grips. These have gotten quite scarce and expensive. The only sad thing about the M58 is that S&W quit making it in 1977!
I'll show a picture of it with my M57 as well. I would prefer the fixed sights and barrel contour of the M58 for duty carry. (Original grips on the 57 as well.)
Gregg
I'll show a picture of it with my M57 as well. I would prefer the fixed sights and barrel contour of the M58 for duty carry. (Original grips on the 57 as well.)
Gregg
Guns_and_Labs
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Para hi-cap .45, with +2 mag extensions. Quantity and quality.
ducktapehero
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I'd be happy with either a Smith, Ruger, Colt or Taurus wheelgun in 357. I'd also like a lever action rifle in 357 in the trunk.
Diamondback
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3 inch Smith and Wesson Model 66 with Hi Viz sights
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ChristopherG
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Are there still dpets out there that allow officers to carry FMJ's?
Since I carry concealed on the job, I wouldn't go full size. If I could set it up any way I wanted I'd carry a Sig 239 in .40 everyday, and 229 in .40 for service of warrants, planned apprehensions, etc. My current employer, and soon to be new employer, make me carry the 228 in 9mm, and I'm fine with that.
BHP or Colt 1911 in stainless.
I like single actions. Niether is terribly bulky.
If it had to be a wheelgun, give me a 4 inch Python in 357 please.
M1A in the trunk.
I like single actions. Niether is terribly bulky.
If it had to be a wheelgun, give me a 4 inch Python in 357 please.
M1A in the trunk.
I'd get out the well worn Security Six which already took me all the way to retirement with never a hiccup. A uniformed alternative would be a very smooth GP-100. (Six for sure.)
If my current experimental P97 lives up to my early expectations, I could be happy with that, or a P345 if it turned out to fit me better.
S&W 442 for a BUG.
In any event, I expect total reliability; no excuses.
If my current experimental P97 lives up to my early expectations, I could be happy with that, or a P345 if it turned out to fit me better.
S&W 442 for a BUG.
In any event, I expect total reliability; no excuses.
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If I was a law enforcement officer and didn't have to worry about concealability or un-Constitutional gun laws, my carry gun would not even be a handgun. It would be an HK G36K carbine (http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/rifles-carbines/g36k.html). If my life was on the line, I'd take a rifle-caliber carbine over a handgun every time.
My BUGs would be a Glock 20 in my side holster and a SP101 strapped around my ankle, for what that's worth.
My BUGs would be a Glock 20 in my side holster and a SP101 strapped around my ankle, for what that's worth.
Chupacabra
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Probably a fullsize USP45 or USP40. Good capacity and utterly reliable.
Backup would either be a Glock26 or Khar PM9.
Backup would either be a Glock26 or Khar PM9.
Hi, guys. Newbie here but just had to chime in.
I do this for a living and my current carry weapon is a G23. Good weapon, I like it a lot.
A G26 is carried for back-up in a body-armor holster.
If the Dept. allowed me (current policy forbids single-actions), I'd consider trading the G23 for a stainless 1911, probably Springfield. On the other hand, my G23 fits like a glove and I shoot it real well. Guess I'd have to buy the 1911 and see how it fared.
The only long gun the Dept allows is a Rem 870 with 00 Buck. Half the cruisers we have don't even have racks for them so they go in the trunk if you decide to get one out of the safe.
If I had a choice, my Colt AR-15 HBAR would replace the 870. Unfortunately, I don't.
Good site, guys. keep it up!
Bub
I do this for a living and my current carry weapon is a G23. Good weapon, I like it a lot.
A G26 is carried for back-up in a body-armor holster.
If the Dept. allowed me (current policy forbids single-actions), I'd consider trading the G23 for a stainless 1911, probably Springfield. On the other hand, my G23 fits like a glove and I shoot it real well. Guess I'd have to buy the 1911 and see how it fared.
The only long gun the Dept allows is a Rem 870 with 00 Buck. Half the cruisers we have don't even have racks for them so they go in the trunk if you decide to get one out of the safe.
If I had a choice, my Colt AR-15 HBAR would replace the 870. Unfortunately, I don't.
Good site, guys. keep it up!
Bub
Zach S
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Bub, you southern? Down here is the only place I hear about ppl faring guns, or something being on far
Anyway, if the G23 fits like a glove, the 1911 probably wont. I never thought I'd say this, but you might want to stick with the glock.
Anyway, if the G23 fits like a glove, the 1911 probably wont. I never thought I'd say this, but you might want to stick with the glock.
Zach,
I'm not from down South (I wish!) but both my parents are, Mom from Ky and Dad from Tenn, so I picked up a lot of the dialect. Everyone here says I have somewhat of an accent (especially with "I"'s and "Y"'s- I get laughed at all the time by guys in my Dept when talking over the radio). After a trip to Ky or Tn, it's a whole lot worse for a while!
As for the 1911 not fitting, I have an Auto Ord 1911 that I've been playing with. It fits pretty well. I like it a lot but it's a cheap knock-off. Still, haven't had any major problems with it. As soon as I can scrape together the cash, I'm gonna get a Springfield stainless Mil-Spec anyway. I just like 1911's.
Bub
I'm not from down South (I wish!) but both my parents are, Mom from Ky and Dad from Tenn, so I picked up a lot of the dialect. Everyone here says I have somewhat of an accent (especially with "I"'s and "Y"'s- I get laughed at all the time by guys in my Dept when talking over the radio). After a trip to Ky or Tn, it's a whole lot worse for a while!
As for the 1911 not fitting, I have an Auto Ord 1911 that I've been playing with. It fits pretty well. I like it a lot but it's a cheap knock-off. Still, haven't had any major problems with it. As soon as I can scrape together the cash, I'm gonna get a Springfield stainless Mil-Spec anyway. I just like 1911's.
Bub
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I would carry what I carry now a S&W 41 magnum Mountain Gun and a S&W 642 as backup.
I would carry a Marlin 1894 rifle in 41 magnum and a 3" S&W 657 as a spare handgun in the patrol car.
I would carry a Marlin 1894 rifle in 41 magnum and a 3" S&W 657 as a spare handgun in the patrol car.
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*Bryan reaches in to the drawer to his right and pulls out his SIG P220*
This will do nicely. With an AR-15 and a Mossy 12ga in the trunk.
This will do nicely. With an AR-15 and a Mossy 12ga in the trunk.
After spending several years as a deputy, and almost as many as a range instructor, I was really hard pressed to let go of my revolver.
But, the transition to autos was forthcoming and inevitable.
At the risk of bashing the revolver lovers (which I was one), I could see the combat, or confrontational benefits of the auto in comparison to the revolver. So at the orders of my superiors, I designed an auto transition course specific for our needs with the help of FBI and US Marshall instructors. The course had to be lawsuit proof as much as possible, and had to be approved by the Sheriff & Co. Attorneys, so it was fun.
Most officers (including ours), but not all, rarely shoot their guns unless qualifying. And they clean them even less. Then you have the smaller percentage that shoots and cleans them regularly. They become very proficient in short order. We had implemented the minimum carry calibers, but it was like most others I read here, carry what you wish as long as it meets minimum requirements, and you can qualify with it.
I was one of the last to change from the revolver as it did the job very well, but eventually I did so. Prior to the release of the P85's, I obtained two from Ruger for testing. One of which I bought back afterwards.
I carried that on duty for about 3 months.
At the time I also inacted an ammunition change to Winchester SilverTips in all calibers. The tests and performance levels were leaps & bounds over what we had at the time.
I was so unimpressed with the 9mm (no offense to 9 lovers) after numerous shots into enraged livestock, or injured deer, etc., especially after carrying the .357, that I started to test .40 S&W's and .45ACP's.
The .40 had a better showing than the 9mm, but less than the magnum. The .45ACP using 185gr. Silvertips was visually "on par" with the magnum. But I eventually settled on the .40 S&W with 155gr Silvertips, which ended up as a good balance between capacity and performance.
It seemed only slightly less than the .357 & .45, but with a slightly larger magazine capacity. My gun of choice was a Mod96 Beretta.
I liked the heft & feel of the gun much better than the Glock and it still had the ability to shoot cast for practice.
The 10mm would've probably been my first choice, but there wasn't a large selection of models back then. S&W 1006's, or Colt's Delta Elite's were about it, and Smith was having QC issues back then.
My 2 cents.........
Take care,
Bob
But, the transition to autos was forthcoming and inevitable.
At the risk of bashing the revolver lovers (which I was one), I could see the combat, or confrontational benefits of the auto in comparison to the revolver. So at the orders of my superiors, I designed an auto transition course specific for our needs with the help of FBI and US Marshall instructors. The course had to be lawsuit proof as much as possible, and had to be approved by the Sheriff & Co. Attorneys, so it was fun.
Most officers (including ours), but not all, rarely shoot their guns unless qualifying. And they clean them even less. Then you have the smaller percentage that shoots and cleans them regularly. They become very proficient in short order. We had implemented the minimum carry calibers, but it was like most others I read here, carry what you wish as long as it meets minimum requirements, and you can qualify with it.
I was one of the last to change from the revolver as it did the job very well, but eventually I did so. Prior to the release of the P85's, I obtained two from Ruger for testing. One of which I bought back afterwards.
I carried that on duty for about 3 months.
At the time I also inacted an ammunition change to Winchester SilverTips in all calibers. The tests and performance levels were leaps & bounds over what we had at the time.
I was so unimpressed with the 9mm (no offense to 9 lovers) after numerous shots into enraged livestock, or injured deer, etc., especially after carrying the .357, that I started to test .40 S&W's and .45ACP's.
The .40 had a better showing than the 9mm, but less than the magnum. The .45ACP using 185gr. Silvertips was visually "on par" with the magnum. But I eventually settled on the .40 S&W with 155gr Silvertips, which ended up as a good balance between capacity and performance.
It seemed only slightly less than the .357 & .45, but with a slightly larger magazine capacity. My gun of choice was a Mod96 Beretta.
I liked the heft & feel of the gun much better than the Glock and it still had the ability to shoot cast for practice.
The 10mm would've probably been my first choice, but there wasn't a large selection of models back then. S&W 1006's, or Colt's Delta Elite's were about it, and Smith was having QC issues back then.
My 2 cents.........
Take care,
Bob
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