I am finally Closing the "Gun Show Loophole"!

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To me there are three parts to a gunshow. The older gentleman who gets there at 8 am selling his lifetime collection out of his truck/car trunk for cash only. You can get Colt 1911s for $500 that are 95%+(so not bad and still fair for the most part), maybe a Garand rifle for $500, or a S&W Model 28 for $350. Got a S&W 15-3 roughed up(no rust just typical holster wear) but still a good shooter for $200 that way. When I wanted a ultra compact Bersa 9mm LNIB(looked mint but was obviously fired a little) got it for $240. So you got to wake up early, I saw garands, M1 carbines, 1911s , and all sorts of classic goodies selling cheaper than gunbroker, and way cheaper than the greater gunshow.

The 2nd part, the occassional older gentleman(see a pattern) selling one lone revolver, semi, rifle, or shotgun so he can pacify his wife into letting him get another gun. You can get a Colt Cobra parkerized snub nose for $350 (not great, not bad). Got a Norinco Tokarev 7.62x25 for $140 that looked good and shoots good. Have seen Savage 1910s for $120, High Points pistols for $80. Just got to hunt

The 3rd part, the greater gunshow lets call it. Othern than Georgia Arms ammo and some other smaller gun stores that make their own ammo for unique calibers, .44 magnum, and .357 magnum you can get legit deals on ammo. Cleaning supplies are okay. But the retail is a joke with the occassional sort-of-deal out there. I look at it like a Strip Club where you get to handle the merhandise but go elsewhere to find what you are taking home to keep(or in my younger single days the Dennys less than a quarter of a mile from the strip club at 3am). See how it feels in your hand, buy it elsewhere cheaper.

Now some folks might wonder why prices are higher. There are a few guys who I see at every gunshow now for the last five years even if I only go three times a year. I watch them buy pistols for $300 and sell them the same day for $500 or more. They don't have FFLs, they don't conduct background checks, and they sell typically to those folks who don't want a background check in my opinion. I've watched urban types pay $600 to one such guy for a Glock 19 I saw him buy for $340 only a few hours earlier. The urban type paid in cash with singles and fives, a fat wad of dirty looking bills. You can rationalize how you like it but i think some folks know all too well what they are doing.
 
How are you closing the gunshow "loophole"? Sounds like you're jut complaining about prices which has nothing to do with the reputed loophole.
 
Gun shows don't seem to be the place for deals on guns anymore

Sure they are, but NOT for your common everyday guns - you won't get a deal on a Glock or similar, but you might find an older SxS or SAA that you won't find in your LGS
 
They are like all situations when buying or selling...Buyer Beware:what::)...

I have not been to one in a few years:uhoh:

Regards
 
I watch them buy pistols for $300 and sell them the same day for $500 or more. They don't have FFLs, they don't conduct background checks, and they sell typically to those folks who don't want a background check in my opinion. I've watched urban types pay $600 to one such guy for a Glock 19 I saw him buy for $340 only a few hours earlier. The urban type paid in cash with singles and fives, a fat wad of dirty looking bills. You can rationalize how you like it but i think some folks know all too well what they are doing.

You see quite a bit more than me. I have been going to gunshows for 30 years, and I have never seen what you describe, particularly the part about divining they do not have an FFL, and how much they paid and then later sold the same gun for. I have been standing at tables when transactions are done, and I have yet to notice prices actually paid, much less kept track of who sold and then re-sold an item. I think if I were ever breathing down the necks of people in that transaction would ask me to back off.

I must assume then that these "private sellers" are telling you, a perfect stranger, that they are engaging in dealing guns, for profit, without a license?

I am not trying to offend you by challenging your observations, but you need to be certain of what you describe in a public forum given the political climate around gun shows. One thing I have noticed at most gunshows over the last several years that raises questions regarding your claims, THE ATF.

Are you sure this is not just supposition on your part?
 
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The only thing I got to gunshows for is to look at firearms I do not have.
And if I wanted to find a possible deal. Look for the guys selling private. There's nothing else left no days. =(
 
I made some great buys in Little Rock back in the 1980's. But all I have done since is buy ammo, or gun stuff and get some hard to sharpen knifes done for $3.00 bucks each. I go about once a year anymore. My Local Family owned shop takes good care of me.

90% of the guns are over prices and in Fort Worth TX I have had no luck getting a lower price.
 
Went to gunshow sunday.Well used fn p35,750.Tacticrap everywhere.10 round savage .22 mags[used]20 bucks.And a beater Century built f.a.l .1500 bucks !.thats like new DSA territory,is'nt it?2 good deals,Some old boy selling Loise L'amour paperbacks for a buck apiece.Got a boxfull,And the vender who sold me a brand new SW Bodyguard for 350 bucks.The punchline is He is the guy who owns a sporting goods store 3 blocks from my house.Where I do most of my gun shopping.Go figure.
 
My opinion: The gun buying rage is growing and few people want to bother shopping... plus they "assume" gun show prices are lower.
 
The only gun show deal is that I can get in to some of them for free as retired military.
 
I thought the left handed Stag M4gery I picked up for $779 from a dealer at last week's show was pretty good buy. Came with Midwest Industries flip-up BUIS.

As was the $230 Taurus TCP.

I've never ordered from Bud's, but I do check their prices on what I'm interested and can always beat them at local shows.

Have got a few good closeouts from CDNN via a transfer to a local dealer.

It all depends on who is running the shows and how much competition there is.
 
I've only been to one gun show in the last 12 years or so and I must say it wasn't anything like the shows were when I went regularly. Most of the guns were overpriced and there was a whole lot of stuff for sale that had nothing to do with guns. A lot of the people, both vendors and customers, weren't very friendly either. I'm not going to judge all gun shows based on that one but it was a disappointment. On the plus side I did find some good ammo at good prices and snapped some of it up, so it wasn't a wasted trip.
 
I go to gun shows for entertainment, not expecting to find much of anything worth while. I do a better job of that in the classifieds of gun forums. Seriously.
 
AKElroy:

I know some guys who are pretty astute about certain milsurps.
They have bought rifles being carried around gun shows on slings, and have sometimes later sold some of them.
It's very unlikely that they do it in order to lose money.

My Yugo Mauser 48A was sold to me by a buddy, and knowing the price paid (too high), he would not have sold it at a loss, or just to break even.

None of those gun show buddies have FFLs, and they don't need them at shows.
 
What Magnumdweeb is describing is accurate of most gunshows, personally when I and a few friends and family get a few tables we sell guns that we bought and didn't like for one reason or another and we buy things that come walking in the door like the old gun collections he comented on. That according to the ATF is perfectly legal, and buying and selling in the same day for profit is a felony and they will get caught sooner or later.

but it does happen
 
There's one good thing about the gunshows in FL, and the main reason i recommend it to friends. They have an all-inclusive CCW class twice a day.

Having it all done in one place is way more convenient than having to go to the Sheriff's to get your fingerprints, Walgreens for a passport photo, gun range to take the class, get it all notarized, etc etc.
 
What Magnumdweeb is describing is accurate of most gunshows, personally when I and a few friends and family get a few tables we sell guns that we bought and didn't like for one reason or another and we buy things that come walking in the door like the old gun collections he comented on. That according to the ATF is perfectly legal, and buying and selling in the same day for profit is a felony and they will get caught sooner or later.

This is not what he described. He is indicating seeing guns purchased and re-sold the same day for double the original price to "Urban Types", I will assume code for gangbangers, specifically to price premium around a NICS sale because clearly being "Urban Types", they would never pass.

I take offense to that. If he saw what he desribed, he should have done something about it. If he is just assuming this because he happend to see some baggy-pants folks over-paying at a gunshow, then he needs to remember that this type of assumption is not helpful to the forward progress of RKBA.
 
I know some guys who are pretty astute about certain milsurps.
They have bought rifles being carried around gun shows on slings, and have sometimes later sold some of them.
It's very unlikely that they do it in order to lose money.

My Yugo Mauser 48A was sold to me by a buddy, and knowing the price paid (too high), he would not have sold it at a loss, or just to break even.

None of those gun show buddies have FFLs, and they don't need them at shows.

I agree completely. That is not what Magnumdweeb was alledging. See my last post.
 
I stopped goin to gun shows because of all the over powering stinky candle selling old ladies kept making me have allergy attacks. Most of them around here anymore are just vendors trying to sell their products, it's about a 60/40 split of over priced gun sellers/junk peddlers. It's almost like a flea market with guns...
 
I stopped goin to gun shows because of all the over powering stinky candle selling old ladies kept making me have allergy attacks. Most of them around here anymore are just vendors trying to sell their products, it's about a 60/40 split of over priced gun sellers/junk peddlers. It's almost like a flea market with guns...
Nahh... it's a gun market with fleas.
 
I got two good deals at gun show this year. I had to work for both, I spoke to every vendor who was selling what I was looking for, and got the lowest price. On was a trade, where I traded a taurus revolver for a slim, then found a guy several monthes later who wanted it so bad, he offered me $400.00 for it, so the revolver I never could have sold for that, in 38. i had it for 15 years and never used it. He wanted it for his wife because he had the same one, the titanium. Then I bought a ruger lcp almost a year ago, for $259.00 which was the cheapset I saw any place. I had to work to get it for that price. But that's the way it is, if you just try 1 or 2 vendors and don'r know how much the going rate is, you will overpay, "they expect you to negotiate" that is one reason some gund dealers mark up so high. I find the opposite than Joe, with ammo. Here in FL I can almost always get the ammo cheaper at wallyworld than any place else. I may buy my carry JHP's there, because I want a certain round for a particular gun. But they were buying the stuff at Wallmart and selling it at the gun shows, until wallmart put a cap on how much you could buy.My buddy bought a 357 taurus for 259, in stainless with the 2or 21/2 inch barrell, not a bad deal.I will say we had to return it the following day for another one, the ammo was binding against the frame when you tried to move the cylinder, somone must have dropped it. That's another thing, try to get an unopened box on new guns. Too many people handle these display guns, they can have problems.
 
...Marlin 44mag $600 +,(Walmart has them for what, $395?)...
Why would Mom-n-Pop put themselves in a position where WallyWorld could take all of their market away? Why, oh why, can't they just compete properly and stay in business? We all want to support the local Mom-n-Pop, but they don't seem to know what's best for themselves.

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"I stopped goin to gun shows because of all the over powering stinky candle selling old ladies kept making me have allergy attacks. Most of them around here anymore are just vendors trying to sell their products, it's about a 60/40 split of over priced gun sellers/junk peddlers. It's almost like a flea market with guns..."

+ 1 on this Phillippe, i get the massive scent-based headaches as well.

The argument is that they're psychosomatic, therefore there isn't a problem... Whether the reaction is in our heads or not, the nausea and blinding pain are quite real.

Still some good deals here in Oregon, but a lot of it is local dealers selling for the same price as their Bricks-and-mortar stores the rest of the month. I go for the pure joy of being surrounded by people who shoot, and the ability to see more variety in one place, rather than having to drive to every shop in town in a day.
 
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