I am not trying to start a fight........Dillon vs Hornady

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But I am seriously in the market for a new progressive press. I load .45 acp, 45 colt, .223, .7mm rem mag, 30-30, .380 auto, .38 special, .9 mm, .40 S&W. I load for me and my two boys. I want to buy one press that will last me the rest of my life. I have used a Hornady Lock N Load AP press and I liked it a Lot! I have never used a Dillon but I noticed that they have a dedicated following, almost cultish and I was wondering if they are really all that much better than a Hornady. Both cover their presses for life. Are there any videos that compare them side by side and give an objective opinion of the pros and cons of each press?

Please help me to make the right selection.

Thanks!
 
I don't know of any videos but I struggled with the same questions. I settled on the Hornady because of the price and their customer service. I also chose Hornady because they are in Grand Island NE which is where some of my in-laws are from. I have personally been to Dillon Precision and know their customer service is great as well. I think they are both great presses and have good customer service so its totally up to you!
 
I was leaning toward the Hornady Ammo Plant but ended up with a good deal on a nice used Dillon 650. I am very pleased with it.
Ask around and see if you can find someone who has them and watch them in operation. Or checkout the videos on youtube.
 
I assume you are talking about the Dillon 650. It is more an apples and apples comparison with the Hornady than with the Dillon 550.

Either press will serve you well.

I am not sure shell plates are available for 7 Rem Mag unless it uses the same as another, more popular cartridge. But, I could be wrong. Even so, you may find loading the 7 Rem Mag better on a single stage press. Single stage presses are handy to have around for some specialized tasks not suitable on the progressive.

There are lots of videos on line that show the operation of the two presses. Probably not a comparison but you can see how the folks operate the presses.

I chose the Hornady L-N-L over the Dillon 650. I find the Hornady suits my reloading process better than the Dillon but there are folks that are rabid about their Dillons.
 
Always a big debate on the blue vs red, with that being said I went with the hornady. Price was a big factor and as stated you have to compare it to the 650. I also liked the idea of the bushings for the dies. You can find pros and con's to both brands but I think you can't go wrong with either. Good luck with your decision.
 
Yes, I am considering the LnL or the 650. I just watched a video on the 650 and there are a lot of parts to change on a changeover compared to the LnL. This guy had parts all over his bench. I guess one would get used to all those parts, but at first it might be a daunting.
 
Both would be fine machines for reloading. I like the Dillon 550 although it is not an auto progressive like the 650. Big price difference between the 650 and Hornady L-n-L. One thing to be aware of with the Hornady though - in some of the smaller calibers such as .380, only Hornady dies are long enough to work in the L-n-L. I called Hornady about this and their customer service confirmed that some dies are okay (length) while others are not. Some Lee will work, some Lee dies will not. If you have to purchase new die sets in order for the machine to work you need to factor that into your decision. Because of the variety of different manufacture dies that I already owned my decision was to go with an RCBS progressive versus the L-n-L.

Blessings,

Paul
 
There are quality progressive presses made by a number of reputable manufacturers. My experience with all I've tried have been good. My first progressive was a MEC shotgun press. Then I used two Lee Pro 1000s to do all my pistol reloading for almost 20 years. Then I treated myself to a Dillon 650. They all work, the manufacturers have all provided good service, support, and parts when I needed it. I've read enough people on the forums who think a lot of progressives by Hornady, RCBS, etc. to make me believe they're also good.
I like the Dillon 650 (although it's probably overkill for my volume of reloading), but from what I've read, if I owned a Hornady LNL AP I probably wouldn't give it up to get a Dillon or any other press.
Guess I've been at this long enough and used enough equipment that I don't really feel any attraction to a particular brand.
 
I checked out the hornady LNL and didnt like the index system. The round you are processing on the next stroke isnt under the die you are going to use for that stroke. The index happens on both the down and up stroke of the handle where the dillon indexes on just the upstroke. I liked the rubber band case retaining system of the LNL. The Dillon's pins are a PITA when my clunky fingers drop one. what was my choice? Dillon 550b.. no index at all. My newbie brain likes to go slow!
 
The manual indexing of the 550 was a deal breaker. After watching plenty of videos, I went LnL. Considering I got 1k free premium bullets, my LnL was probably about 1/3 the price of 650....I have been 100% satisfied with the machine and customer service.
 
Both would be fine machines for reloading. I like the Dillon 550 although it is not an auto progressive like the 650. Big price difference between the 650 and Hornady L-n-L. One thing to be aware of with the Hornady though - in some of the smaller calibers such as .380, only Hornady dies are long enough to work in the L-n-L. I called Hornady about this and their customer service confirmed that some dies are okay (length) while others are not. Some Lee will work, some Lee dies will not. If you have to purchase new die sets in order for the machine to work you need to factor that into your decision. Because of the variety of different manufacture dies that I already owned my decision was to go with an RCBS progressive versus the L-n-L.

Blessings,

Paul
Paul,

Did you get the Pro 2000?
 
Hornady makes a shell plated for the Rem 7mm Mag. I have it and have loaded that round on the LNL-AP. I did not use the auto powder dump though since I weight all of my charges for this caliber.

You will probably find the LNL-AP a little more user friendly when it comes to caliber conversion. Most Dillon users have complete tool heads for each caliber which is a very expensive way to go.
 
Did you get the Pro 2000?

I bought a Hornady first a few years ago and recently added a Pro2000.

I like the APS priming system on the RCBS. I have stripped the priming systems off my L-N-L and Dillon SDBs.

I like the Hornady's 1/2 index per up or down movement of the handle. The cases do not move so violently on the index since it does not travel so far. But, some folks get it out of sync and have trouble getting the index pawls readjusted. (A progressive press does not fit the axiom "Don't force it, get a bigger hammer.")

The RCBS and Dillon SDBs move the shell plate an full index when the press handle is raised. On some cases and charges, powder spills on the index. There are fixes and work arounds to prevent the spilling.

I like the Hornady case activated powder system better than the RCBS and have replaced the RCBS unit with a Hornady system.

I like the Hornady L-N-L bushing better than a die plate. Easier to store the dies. Also, the bushing allow for easy different placement of dies. I put dies in different holes depending on the task that I am doing on the press.

I load 10 or so different cartridges on the L-N-L. Only two at this time on the Pro2000.

I would buy both again.

They all their pluses and minuses. My usual advice is get the one whose color best matches the decor in your reloading room. It will serve you well.
 
Chuck,

Thanks for that detailed response with the pros and cons of each unit.

It seems like you can't go wrong with any of the progressives out there today.

Thanks again!
 
OP I can't speak to the Dillon as I have the LNL, so here goes one user's perspective on the LNL AP.
I load mostly pistol on it, in order of volume - 9mm, 38 spcl, 45 ACP, 380, 40 S&W, and 38 Super. For rifle - 223 Rem, 300 Blackout, and 308. That covers most of the calibers that you mentioned. I do load 30-30, 30-06 and some others, but not nearly at a volume requiring the LNL. Similarly I have dies/shellplate for 45 Colt, but haven't used them yet. I am pretty satisfied with the press, and just recently upgraded my old ProJector with a new LNL AP under a very competitive offer from Hornady. I will shortly set up that second LNL as either a large primer setup or just for whatever is the most used caliber (9mm).
So I guess I do like the red decor, but shhh, I also have the green RCBS RC on the bench.
For the pistol rounds the LNL, and any progressive, will pay for itself quickly and you will turn out a good volume of rounds without a LOT of work. I sort calibers, tumble my brass and have it ready to go. Unlike some, I load pistol rounds from start to finish, that is, cleaned brass, prep the primer tube, and start loading. Station 1 is size/decap, 2 is prime and bell/flare, 3 powder drop, 4 is empty - visual check of powder, and 5 is seat/crimp. I only mention this because there are many users here that presize their brass and then they finish the process later on the LNL. You'll find whatever works best for you. At a moderate pace I can load around 300 rounds an hour. That's including filling the primer tube for each 100, checking every xx round powder on the scale, and boxing the finished ammo. The number in between weight checks depends on how smoothly the powder drops. On some I'm confident at the 40-50 point on others around 10-15.
For rifle, you have to consider that part of the process will be off press and that you will most likely have to do 2 stages/batches. What a lot of us here do is -- the sizing/decapping, whether on the LNL or on a single stage. Then measure, trim, swage primer pockets, etc. Then bring the prepped brass back to the progressive press and continue with priming, powder, and seating. I know some Dillon users that set up 2 toolheads for this - 1 with the sizing and trimmer and the other with the powder and seater. On the LNL I set up the sizer in station 1 and remove the brass when it gets to station 2. For the 2nd batch I leave the sizing die out, and place the case at station 1 and have it go around to the powder, check and seater. Some users prime off press, though I normally prime on the LNL.
As to dies -- a user above mentioned -
in some of the smaller calibers such as .380, only Hornady dies are long enough to work in the L-n-L. I called Hornady about this and their customer service confirmed that some dies are okay (length) while others are not.
I'll politely disagree with part of this. It is true that some Lee dies are short and may not fit right on the Hornady. Some have turned the lock ring upside down and others have replaced it altogether. Here are the dies I'm using on my LNL - 9MM was using RCBS, then Lee, and now Hornady. The RCBS were a little narrow on the opening of the sizer and they required a finger tip to guide the brass in - it got old quick. The Lees worked well on most brass, but I found that I couldn't in fact get down far enough to work some brass. I had the Hornady's as well and tried those. They are working very well after being sent back to Hornady to take care of a galling issue.
380, 38 Spcl, 40 S&W, 223 Rem, 308 Win, and 45 ACP are RCBS - no issues with any of those.
38 Super are Lee and they work fine. The 300 Blackout are Hornady. I also have a set of Hornady 38Spcl, but I haven't tried them yet.
So, long post, but hopefully provides some insight for you.
I'll add that whichever press you go with - there will be lots of folks here ready and willing to help out with any kinks you may run in to.
Let us know what you decide.
 
You are right. Both Dillon, and Hornady are great presses. The Dillon will cost you more if you buy a tool head/powder measure for each caliber. It's really personal preference. I chose to go with Dillon since 99% of the guys I shoot IDPA, USPSA, and 3Gun with load on a Dillon. I had a lot of support if needed.

A friend of mine I went to school with had a LnL AP. I had the chance to run his LnL AP last summer, and he ran my 650, and 550's. The LnL was nice, and seemed to be a little easier to switch calibers, but I really didn't care for the indexing on the LnL AP. My friend ended up selling his LnL AP, and buy 2 Dillon 650's. He's hooked so much now he's planning to buy a 1050. I would try and find a couple local reloaders that would let you try out each. I know for fact Dillon has a great CS. I messed up my Small primer priming bar on my 550 two years ago buy polishing it. I called Dillon, and told them I screwed up my primer bar, and needed to order a new one. The CS tech told me that was nonsense, and he would have me a new one out with a couple new bearing plates, and springs that afternoon. I have also heard good reviews of CS with Hornady.
 
I agree with others that Hornady and Dillon make excellent presses. I had a hard time deciding between the Hornady LNL AP and the Dillon 650. I finally got the Hornady and it has done an excellent job for me.
 
mstreddy ,

Thank you for taking the time to answer with great detail some of the concerns that I had. I am leaning heavily towards the Hornady for several reasons......

1. Cost differential
2. The less jarring half cycle of the shell plate
3. The Powder measure gets outstanding reviews
4. The Caliber changeovers seem easiest on the LnL
5. The Die Bushings and the ease in which they can be moved around.
6. And not that this one matters much but it is just a good looking press ;)

I will probably keep my LCTP for singe stage work, or maybe sell it to help pay for this one?

Thanks again for the honest feedback and a very civil thread.
 
It took me forever to decide between the two. I ended with the Hornady LNL and love it. The deciding factors for me were the half turn on the hornady, the LNL bushings make easy change of calibers, changing calibers in my opinion is easier. The major factor for me was the use of a brass loader. I did not want to use one and the dillion is pretty much set up for one out of the box. That's why its a little more expensive because it has the tubing and parts for the brass loader. They are both great machines. I load for 223, 9mm, 40sw, 45acp, 44mag, and 50ae. I can do a 100rnds in under 20min for pistol.
 
I have a 550, 650, and a Hornady Projector (old version of LNL). I personally prefer the Hornady because I can get parts locally. the Dillon I have to order. All work great, just pick your favorite color.
 
My local stores seem to carry hornady and rcbs. That can be a big factor when you only get so many chances to reload per week. I just got into loading about a year ago and started with a dillon 550. I was not satisfied with a few things about it so I tried the LNL and I'm quite more impressed with it mechanically. Precision pins and zerk fittings, massive ram and an overall feel of a quality tool. To me the rotary powder measure design seems vastly superior to the sliding bars. The LNL bushings are very cool, but my powder measure does try to unlock itself. I am considering cutting flats on all my bushings to aid in tightening them with a wrench. I will say that I prime off press for now though.
 
I use a recently purchased new Lee sizing die for 380 in my LNL, used with the Hornady lock rings. Works fine. In fact, other than 223 and 45-70, all my sizer dies are Lee.

I have an LCT and I suggest that you keep yours, you'll most likely regret it later if you don't. Save your money for a little longer if necessary. I also have a rock chucker which I won't part with. They all get used, except for the loadmaster. Ugh.
 
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