I am ready for 357SIG

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In December 2014 and again in January I received some 357SIG PIF brass from BracketRacer_57. This generosity helped me make up my mind to start reloading 357SIG instead of 45ACP since I now had some available 357SIG brass. This started my 2 month project to learn about loading 357SIG, acquire the dies, and also find a 357SIG gun at the right price. Finally I was able to find the gun I was looking for over the last couple of months, and now I am ready to start my 357SIG journey.

I started by creating some dummy rounds using 124gr JHP's and Xtreme 124gr CPHP's (supposedly also has a thicker plating). Once I received my gun, I started verifying that they were cycling and also checking for any setback. To my surprise I found that the Xtreme's had no issue cycling or any setback. I also did the bathroom scale test where I tested it to above 30lbs. The JHP's definitely had some issues. After one cycle I would start seeing bad setbacks. I think the problem with the JHP's is that the bullet head seems longer and I had some difficulty in getting it down to a 1.135" or 1.140" COL and keeping the ogive out of the neck.

So for now I have decide just to try out the Xtreme bullet first with 5 rounds loaded with Unique and 5 loaded with Longshot. Hopefully I will be able to put some factory ammo through my 357SIG next week, and if everything checks out, also try my reloads.

My current process for loading 357SIG is the following. Obviously it will change as I pick up experience, but for now it will do until I pick up more experience with this special caliber:
-First it goes through my normal cleaning process
-I then decap and resize using my 40S&W sizing die (no issues with decap so far, but it could change)
-Next step is to resize with the 357SIG sizing die. I am not using lube.
-I don't trim, but I try and sort by length. This is just to make sure the bullet and length combination is a fit.
-Next step is priming. I primed before belling because I wasn't sure which bullet I was going to be using. This will probably move to after belling once I decide on a bullet to use.
-Belling. I took my time with the belling to make sure I can put the bullet in straight without too much belling.
-Adding powder was done weighing each separate load
-Seating I had to take my time again since I wanted to make sure I am as close as possible to my 1.135" COL
-For crimping I used the Lee 357SIG FCD. The 357SIG FCD was difficult to get used to since it is not the same as the FCD for 9mm and 40S&W. It does make an indent in the bullet, but it does not compromise the plating. Testing will tell if it impact the trajectory of the bullet.

Now the only thing remaining is to shoot these beauties. Loading 357SIG is more challenging than straight wall pistol calibers, but so far I have enjoyed the challenge and hopefully the results will reflect the experience.

Feel free to comment on my process or 357SIG reloading in general.
 
Suggest you add doing a plunk test to each finished round. Might save a lot of frustration at the range. Seen it happen!
 
Suggest you add doing a plunk test to each finished round. Might save a lot of frustration at the range. Seen it happen!

Good point. I did the plunk test with the dummy rounds, but not the live rounds. I only have 10 so I will check it out. Loading 357SIG for the first time makes me all nervous. It is the same feeling as when I started loading for the first time about 4 months ago.
 
I don't bell for jacketed bullets ... just a good chamfer of the brass ... no problem with set back ... I mostly use the Hornady 124 gr XTP with HS 6, 800X, AA#9 & Longshot powders ...
 
I don't bell for jacketed bullets ... just a good chamfer of the brass ... no problem with set back ... I mostly use the Hornady 124 gr XTP with HS 6, 800X, AA#9 & Longshot powders ...

Thanks for sharing your process and information about the components you use. I have not seen AA#9 locally for a while, but has seen 800X which I will probably try out some time. Any preferences between the powders and why the preference?
 
Just be careful with 800X ... not a lot of room to adjust the charge ... but it will shoot very accurately ... it does not meter well at all ... it is pretty much a weigh each charge powder ... but it does produce really good velocity and great groups ...

I'm working with Longshot right now and do not have an opinion if it is better or worse than others ... our weather has not been great for shooting much ... it is flooding to day! It meters very good.

HS 6 is probably the easiest to meter and works very well ... provides pretty good velocity and accuracy...

AA#9 is great for setback as it is a compressed load ... the bullet has no room to move backwards ... good velocity and accuracy is good ...

Pistol powders are rather scarce in my area ... hard to keep a steady supply ...
 
Just be careful with 800X ... not a lot of room to adjust the charge ... but it will shoot very accurately ... it does not meter well at all ... it is pretty much a weigh each charge powder ... but it does produce really good velocity and great groups ...

I'm working with Longshot right now and do not have an opinion if it is better or worse than others ... our weather has not been great for shooting much ... it is flooding to day! It meters very good.

HS 6 is probably the easiest to meter and works very well ... provides pretty good velocity and accuracy...

AA#9 is great for setback as it is a compressed load ... the bullet has no room to move backwards ... good velocity and accuracy is good ...

Pistol powders are rather scarce in my area ... hard to keep a steady supply ...

JimKirk, thanks again for the insight you provided.

Loading 357sig is new for me, so it is still baby steps for powder and bullets. I still weigh each load so working with 800x will not be an issue. I have also looked at possibly using AutoComp for 357SIG. There is no available load data, but I have seen posted loads starting around 7.4gr. It seems AutoComp is in the correct burn-rate group to be used, but load data is not available.
 
Curious as to what Brand JHP's you used that were giving you bad "set Backs" and "some difficulty in getting it down to a 1.135" or 1.140" COL and keeping the ogive out of the neck."
Especially with the crimp you described.
best/picker
 
Curious as to what Brand JHP's you used that were giving you bad "set Backs" and "some difficulty in getting it down to a 1.135" or 1.140" COL and keeping the ogive out of the neck."
Especially with the crimp you described.
best/picker

These are 124gr JHP's packaged by Midway, so I don't know what brand they are. It is not a problem since I am also loading 9mm so I can always use it for my 9mm loads if I can't make it work in 357sig. Attached is a picture of both the Xtreme 124gr CPHP on the left and the Midways JHP on the right.
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The Bullet on the right looks like a Hornady "HAP" I use a lot of them without any problems and find they are very accurate.
I have never shot the Extreme, so no comment on those.
The HAP with Longshot is known for being very accurate.
Best/picker
 
The Bullet on the right looks like a Hornady "HAP" I use a lot of them without any problems and find they are very accurate.
I have never shot the Extreme, so no comment on those.
The HAP with Longshot is known for being very accurate.
Best/picker

That is interesting to know. I measured one of them and the length is .5760" with the bearing surface .3030" and the calculated nose length .2730".

What COL do you use when loading the HAP and do you apply a light, heavy or no crimp at all?
 
My "COAL" is 1.1350 and your crimp needs to be snug to prevent set back, plated bullets might be a challenge but maybe not with the extreme you got, I never used those when I shoot a plated bullet it is the Berry's Bullet HBFP.
Im not familiar with your reloading setup but when I set up my Dillon sta.4 to crimp I set my die where there is no crimp with a cartridge in place lower handle till my crimping die is in place and then hand tighten.
Then a wrench to tighten good and snug but not enough to damage the bullet or brass, start slow and test them till you get it like you want it, I have never had set back problems with the .357 sig, but in full disclosure I aint been reloading as long as some of these folks.
Best/joe
 
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Yes I shoot for 1.1350 but as you know there is some variance 1.140 is good.
Best/picker
 
The 125 gr HAP has the same profile as the 124 gr XTP ... so I would load it to 1.140 same as the XTP ...

The Hodgdon load data shows the Hornady XTP with a COL of 1.135". I think that is what I should shoot for since the Xtreme cycles and passes the plunk test at 1.135".

My "COAL" is 1.1350 and your crimp needs to be snug to prevent set back, plated bullets might be a challenge but maybe not with the extreme you got, I never used those when I shoot a plated bullet it is the Berry's Bullet HBFP.
Im not familiar with your reloading setup but when I set up my Dillon sta.4 to crimp I set my die where there is no crimp with a cartridge in place lower handle till my crimping die is in place and then hand tighten.
Then a wrench to tighten good and snug but not enough to damage the bullet or brass, start slow and test them till you get it like you want it, I have never had set back problems with the .357 sig, but in full disclosure I aint been reloading as long as some of these folks.
Best/joe

Yes I shoot for 1.1350 but as you know there is some variance 1.140 is good.
Best/picker

Withe the plated Xtreme I found that with a COL of 1.135", after crimping with the Lee FCD. it seems the COL increased a bit. I will try the JHP's again with a 1.135" COL and a crimp just to make it snug. It could just be that the shape of the bullet is what my P229 has an issue with. I will definitely try a few variations and see if I can make it work. I am looking for at least about 5 cycles without any issues before loading some live round with the combination.
 
Hornady #9 states the OAL for the 124 gr XTP to be 1.140" .... That works very well in my Glock 31 .... I load the 125 gr HAP to the same length and they work very well in the 31 also ...

But whatever you do ... it has to work in your gun ....
 
I think Dillons full length sizing die has really helped me take some of the errors out of getting the shoulder correct.
Here is some info you may or may not find helpful.............Best/picker

http://www.massreloading.com/357sig.html

Thanks for the link. I don't think it is a shoulder issue but I will know later this week when I get to shoot my first loads. Currently I use the Lee 357SIG full length sizing die.

Hornady #9 states the OAL for the 124 gr XTP to be 1.140" .... That works very well in my Glock 31 .... I load the 125 gr HAP to the same length and they work very well in the 31 also ...

But whatever you do ... it has to work in your gun ....

Based on the bullet shape it seems the correct COL should be 1.140", but 1.135" should also work if I trim my brass to .860".

Thanks for all the information you have provided so far. Can you tell me what the outside diameter is of the neck after you have resized it. Mine is on average .3740". I'm not sure how accurate my inside the neck measurement is, but I get around .3500".
 
I have a few pic's lemme see if I can get them in order so they make sense
Beswt/picker
 
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I decided to do another test, but this time using some nickel brass since it is supposed to be not as soft as the normal brass. I loaded two of the JHP's to 1.140", and then applied the Lee FCD to one of them, and the seating die crimp to the other. This test was to see how many times I could cycle each round until I reach 1.135" COL. The results shows that both cycled without any issues and that both combinations could be used. I think I will probably do the same test with normal brass and see how they compare.

JHP - Lee FCD
After crimp 1.1430"
1 - 1.1420"
2 - 1.1410"
3 - 1.1405"
4 - 1.1380"
5 - 1.1375"
6 - 1.1360"
7 - 1.1350"

JHP - Crimp with seating crimp die
After crimp 1.1415"
1 - 1.1405"
2 - 1.1405"
3 - 1.1395"
4 - 1.1395"
5 - 1.1385"
6 - 1.1380"
7 - 1.1375"
8 - 1.1350"
 
Congrats on getting setup for your new caliber!!! Can't wait to try it as soon as my back is better. I know you are doing the right research and will do well with this round!!!

What others have you used LongShot with so far and do you like it as much as I do? Did it run clean for you?
 
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Congrats on getting setup for your new caliber!!! Can't wait to try it as soon as my back is better. I know you are doing the right research and will do well with this round!!!

What others have you used LongShot with so far and do you like it as much as I do? Did it run clean for you?

Ex, thanks. Take care of the back. Hopefully I'm doing all the right research, but I wanted to try something more challenging, and 357sig is definitely more challenging.

I am just starting my load development for 9mm and 40S&W, so it is still a way to go. Starting with 357sig will obviously slow down the load development for 9mm and 40S&W, but I'm not complaining.

Thanks again for the comments.
 
Joe, thanks for posting the images with the key measurements throughout your process. I will go through my process and will also take some pictures to compare and will post them.

Thanks again for taking the time to help me through this process.
 
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