"I Designed A Pillow That Safely & Comfortably Stores a Handgun. What do you think?"

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Seotaji
what type of foam does it use?
a combination of med. and high density would be good for support and durability. anything less and it might as well be a pillow from wal-mart.

You're absolutely right! I have been working very hard to ensure that the final product will be made with high quality materials and construction. Let's face it, if it's not comfortable, then the idea is a bust. The foam is very similar to the consistency of a tempur-pedic pillow. The Security Pillow is just slightly thicker and a bit more dense. Thank you for your feedback!
 
Don't rule out the possibility of having a separate pillow designated solely to storing valuables that can be stored in a spare bedroom, or lennon closet. When's the last time you have heard of a burglar storming a lennon closet?
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Yes, I have never seen a burglar storm a lennon closet, except maybe John's.

However, I do know this. Whenever someone mass produces and markets a product that hides valuables (fake soup can, fake afteshave can, clock that opens, picture that opens) the staff at "criminal college" (aka jail) very soon include this item in their curriculum
 
Ok i was asked to elaborate on this. I thought i did on post 32. So i will repost that then give another comment.

that and i just cant seem to figure out how you can have a gun under your pillow pointing towards your spouse or through your color telivison. frankly i would not trust my self. i would be moving around grabbing the pillow when im half asleep. No its ok i will pass. Sell these to the russian military in Georgia lets see how they do
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Ok I am a firm believer in saying there is a time and place for everything. However Keeping a firearm under my head is not one of them. I cant and would not advise any one i know on purchasing one. There are far better places to put a firearm than in my pillow. Second thing you could not pay me enough to have a firearm in my pillow pointed at my wife. (if it was). It goes against what i said earlier. Time and place for everything. This for sure is not the place. I would much rather put two Round hooks behind the night stand with a handgun pointed away and towards the ground. It would be out of site and i would not have to worry about any kinds of accidents. Same time i do have kids. Weather not i want to admit it or not. kids go into there parents rooms. They do I know i did. I remember when i was a kid i used to run as fast as i good and jump as high as i could on my parents bed. I thought that was the best thing on earth. Heck just the other day i caught my 9 year old trying to act like he was wrestling the pillow on our bed. Kids will be kids. No matter how much you educate them they will be kids. We were too. Think about all the things you used to do when your parents were gone when you were kids. Heck i remember playing hide and seek with me being in the clothes dryer. Its just not a good deal. Id rather see something in the bottom of a night lamp. Maybe a fake side that you pull down and push a three button code. Door opens up and you take out your stuff. That is if you need something that close. I have 2 safes i think my valubles will be better off in the safe than under my head. Just my thought. However i really dont think your going to get that big of a bang for your buck selling something that holds a gun under your head. Sorry you asked me to elaborate. i can send this to a bunch more people and probably get your more responses. However i am just not too sure how far you want to go. So anyhow let me know how far i can post this like crazy and get a bunch of responses. Im just not too sure its going to be what you want to hear.
 
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Thanks for your feedback! So what's to say the intruder/assailant isn't going to pull the fully exposed handgun or 870 on you and blast before you even wake up? A gun in the open is never a good idea in my opinion, especially when you are sleeping. I hope you're an extremely light sleeper my friend!

How did you get comfortable with the placement of your current holster and how to draw the firearm efficiently? I'll bet it was through practice and repitition wasn't it? Using The Security Pillow is the same, trust me. I have slept with the prototype every night for 3 weeks now, and if an intruder came into my room he would wouldn't even know what was coming. This gives me the element of surprise, which always gives you leverage in a self defense situation!
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Nice try. But I do practice drawing from the holster next to the bed. You see, it is in exactly the same spot every time. So is the 870. The pillow does not offer that guarantee as I sleep on my side and I know... when I get woken up by an intruder, the first thing I want to do is figure out where my pillow is, which end has the hole and why is it rolled up like that.

And if you want to start with scenarios...What if the bad guy brought his own gun. Even if I had the magic pillow, I'd still be dead. Only this way, The cops would find me with my hand stuck up a pillow like some demented puppeteer....

Sorry. As far as I can tell, this is a lame product the world just does not need. I put it in with the pet rock and Oprah.

but hey, I might be wrong and you might make a million bucks. I wouldn't bet my money on it.

I'm liking these apples.


Now, the real question is.... why would you come to a gun board, ask for responses about a product and then get all defensive when people.... give their opinion? I have given you my opinion as to why I would never purchase this product. I have valid reasons based on my sleep patterns and the fact that a pillow tends to get moved around at night. My holster and 870 do not.
 
The pillow comfortably disguises all of these. What are you basing your statement off of? "It's not only a bad concept, but it's a bad business idea." I mean I'm sure you have a great reason for saying this right?
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Yeah, it's called common sense. It's not going to sell. Period. Responsible gun owners aren't going to be content to sleep with a loaded gun pointed at their wife's head.

Even if I were foolish enough to try such a product, I certainly wouldn't buy yours. I'd just go to wallyworld and buy a foam pillow and make my own. We're not talking brain surgery, here.

You're getting kind of prissy about some of the responses you're getting. What do you expect? You come onto this forum spamming your idea but don't like honest opinions?

My opinion is that it's a foolish product that won't net you a dime.

But have at it. It's no skin off my nose.
 
if i were to buy that i hope that some slaps some sense in me. Might just have to beat myself up. A gun pointed at the wifes head does not fly. I like my bed the way it is thank you
 
Interesting idea. Not my cup of tea, but I don't really use pillows, and tend to throw the one i use on the floor. It could be good for car camping, as an "out of the way" place to keep a gun while sleeping.

I'd like to see videos of "drawing from concealment". In other words, i'd like to see a video of someone lying down in a standard sleeping position, and starting from that position, draw and fire at a target 7m away. Based on the picture, i'd worry about snagging if a larger pistol like a 1911 is used.

And if you are serious, change your website format to something similar. Not everyone has broadband/lives in a country with fast internet.
 
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very good presentation.
first i laughed ( bet ua figgured on that)
but......actually, it is a useful. a light weight K-T or J-frame and it is also a sound suppressor ( Pay the Pillow Tax!!!).
gotta love it. a must have for the next time you are having a pillow fight.

Thank you for your feedback Claude! I am currently looking into this suppressor theory. I'm sure there is a way around that because the pillow was not specifically designed to shoot inside of the pillow, it just turned out that way. I guess I'll just have to go ahead and give Uncle Sam his cut with income taxes.
 
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Hey, put me with Oprah too. Please include just 1% of her worth ($20M+).

Amen brother! If this thing is categorized with Oprah then you know it's golden! That woman is supremely successful and has more money than the good lord himself! Not much of a cut down.
 
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Interesting idea. Not my cup of tea, but I don't really use pillows, and tend to throw the one i use on the floor. It could be good for car camping, as an "out of the way" place to keep a gun while sleeping.
I'd like to see videos of "drawing from concealment". In other words, i'd like to see a video of someone lying down in a standard sleeping position, and starting from that position, draw and fire at a target 7m away. Based on the picture, i'd worry about snagging if a larger pistol like a 1911 is used.
And if you are serious, change your website format to something similar. Not everyone has broadband/lives in a country with fast internet.

Thanks for the input Dave! I love the idea about the video! I am going to work on putting a little something together for that once we have finalized the protoype. That should help silence the naysayers! Good stuff man!
 
dont listen to the negative guys. they could at least be nicer in attitude and tone. you have a great idea. logistics wise, can you make it work? will you be able to draw the gun while your head is still on the pillow? (i'm thinking it might press down and make it hard to draw) also, what keeps the gun from moving around inside the pillow?
 
1) IMHO Interesting idea!

2) I would need to handle it myself before purchasing. If it was a well executed design I would probably purchase one.

3) A "hammerless" design revolver (S&W 640) would be able to be used for extreme close quarters while still in the pillow. ( If someone shot a BG through the pillow and it reduced the noise would you be in trouble with BATFE for making a suppressor?:p)

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We are talking about a niche within a niche though.
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Absolutely correct, but the first niche (i.e. firearms owners) is about 30 million people from one estimate so it might be profitable, I am so not a business person.:(

5) Did not like the intro on the website at all, it was well done I just did not like it. The rest of the website was excellently executed and appeared well designed. One small suggestion, replace the passport with a flashlight, can of pepper spray, or cell phone. That is just in reaction from a prior poster in this thread complaining about the passport in the web site image.

Hope the idea pans out for you and you make the product so I could evaluate it for purchase.

Good luck

NukemJim
 
Some people will like it and others will not. Most great inventions start with someone telling the inventor that their ideas suck. The inventor takes that criticism onboard and moves along smartly. He does not throw it away, but uses it to improve his product and marketing. This may just be the start of a larger endevore. I wish you the best of luck and hope that you turn out a quality product. Just remember one thing, never take criticism personally and attack the consumer. You make not like them or their ideas, but they are still your potential customers. Good Luck!
 
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The pillow comfortably disguises all of these. What are you basing your statement off of? "It's not only a bad concept, but it's a bad business idea." I mean I'm sure you have a great reason for saying this right?
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Yeah, it's called common sense. It's not going to sell. Period. Responsible gun owners aren't going to be content to sleep with a loaded gun pointed at their wife's head.

Even if I were foolish enough to try such a product, I certainly wouldn't buy yours. I'd just go to wallyworld and buy a foam pillow and make my own. We're not talking brain surgery, here.

You're getting kind of prissy about some of the responses you're getting. What do you expect? You come onto this forum spamming your idea but don't like honest opinions?

My opinion is that it's a foolish product that won't net you a dime.
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Cetainly sounds like yours wouldn't sell and that you'd need a lot more R&D like LoneSniper3 is doing.

A lot of you still aren't seeing all the angles. In addition to the travel potential I mentioned earlier, there are other ways to use it. My wife and I have mulitple pillows one our bed because lots of times we sit propped up in bed watching TV and one pillow doesn't do it. Some of these pillows end up on the floor leaning against the bed while we're asleep. One of those could be this pillow with the gun aimed downward at the floor and at no one's head. This could actually be handier than a nightstand or safe, because it's hidden and easier and more noiseless than a nightstand door or drawer.

While I do have a large Browning safe, over the years I've developed secret compartments in furniture and walls and cabinets that hold firearms and other valuables and I like this idea. Some of the compartments are very secure and not meant to be immediately accessible. Others hide a weapon almost in plain sight and make it easy to retrieve. This pillow could be very effective and I like it much better than coded handgun safes that scream "GUN IN HERE!" to the world.

You don't even have to sleep with this thing under your head, but that went over some people's heads. It just amazes me how automatically closed-minded and narrow some can be without even thinking through endless possibilities. These are not your innovative and far-sighted thinkers and would probably still have us shooting muzzleloaders.

LoneSniper3, I notice in the design that the channel bottlenecks down and then opens up to a handgun-sized space. I presume this is to hold the weapon in place should the pillow be inverted with the channel aimed down to keep it from falling out. How easy is it to remove the weapon from the cavity? Will it slide out past the bottleneck easily? Will there be different sizes for different size handguns?

BTW, the website is very professional looking, if not maybe a little long in getting there. I think if it could be shortened up a smigden, it might enhance effectiveness.

Ed
 
BTW, I also notice there is a flap that covers the entrance. Is this velcroed shut? Would one have the option of tucking the flap out of the way or removing it entirely if they so desired, to prevent noise?

Also the flap cover appears black in the demo against the white prototype. Would this flap actually be white in the final product so as not to produce contrast and show through a thin pillow case?

Ed
 
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Cetainly sounds like yours wouldn't sell and that you'd need a lot more R&D like LoneSniper3 is doing.
A lot of you still aren't seeing all the angles. In addition to the travel potential I mentioned earlier, there are other ways to use it. My wife and I have mulitple pillows one our bed because lots of times we sit propped up in bed watching TV and one pillow doesn't do it. Some of these pillows end up on the floor leaning against the bed while we're asleep. One of those could be this pillow with the gun aimed downward at the floor and at no one's head. This could actually be handier than a nightstand or safe, because it's hidden and easier and more noiseless than a nightstand door or drawer.
While I do have a large Browning safe, over the years I've developed secret compartments in furniture and walls and cabinets that hold firearms and other valuables and I like this idea. Some of the compartments are very secure and not meant to be immediately accessible. Others hide a weapon almost in plain sight and make it easy to retrieve. This pillow could be very effective and I like it much better than coded handgun safes that scream "GUN IN HERE!" to the world.
You don't even have to sleep with this thing under your head, but that went over some people's heads. It just amazes me how automatically closed-minded and narrow some can be without even thinking through endless possibilities. These are not your innovative and far-sighted thinkers and would probably still have us shooting muzzleloaders.
LoneSniper3, I notice in the design that the channel bottlenecks down and then opens up to a handgun-sized space. I presume this is to hold the weapon in place should the pillow be inverted with the channel aimed down to keep it from falling out. How easy is it to remove the weapon from the cavity? Will it slide out past the bottleneck easily? Will there be different sizes for different size handguns?
BTW, the website is very professional looking, if not maybe a little long in getting there. I think if it could be shortened up a smigden, it might enhance effectiveness.

First off, let me say that it is so refreshing to have such a thoughtful, open minded, and positive comment! I very much appreciate this Mr. Rice! It's been such a drag having people go out of there way to intentionally be disrespectful and walk all over my idea. Some people don't even look at the website or read the rest of the comments in the thread, then go straight to bashing me. It's amazing! That's life though.

Now to the "meat and potatoes"...

You have some really great points and questions. It's actually quite remarkable how the holster securely holds the pistol in the pillow, yet is extremely easy and quick to remove. I designed the Universal "stretch-to-fit" holster to be permanently fixed inside of the pillow and is made with a very heavy but slick spandex material. This holster works with most pistols & revolvers (6" barells & Desert Eagle .50's would be pushing it). With the holster being fixed and slick the handgun comes out with ease, as long as your head is resting on the pillow, or if you hold the front of the pillow with your non-firing hand. I have used the prototype every night now for a little over 3 weeks, and I can definitely retrieve the firearm faster than if it were in the night stand or a digital safe. I have tested it. My nightstand has a drawer and digital handgun safe bolted to it.

Thank you for your compliment on the website. I am actually working on reconfiguring it now. As per earlier request and advice from this forum I have decided to remove the intro, make the blurbs easier to see, and remove the flashing "Patent Pending" banner at the top. I hope that the sight will be much more straight forward and streamlined once these changes are made. The site is really just a tool to relay the concept. If and when it's time to sell this thing we will commission some real pros. and have them develop a custom site from scratch.
 
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BTW, I also notice there is a flap that covers the entrance. Is this velcroed shut? Would one have the option of tucking the flap out of the way or removing it entirely if they so desired, to prevent noise?

Also the flap cover appears black in the demo against the white prototype. Would this flap actually be white in the final product so as not to produce contrast and show through a thin pillow case?


These are also two very good questions... Yes the flap will be velcroed and removable at ones discretion. To be completely honest with you the prototype that I'm using doesn't have a security flap. For 3 days in the first week of using it I slept with a S&W Model 15 .38 with the hammer in the cocked position (No ammunition for this trial). All three times I woke up with the gun in that exact position. I am not recommending that anyone sleeps with a loaded revolver in a cocked position, I am merely trying to show that it's highly unlikely to unconsciously access the pistol for a number of reasons.

All of the materials for the final product will definitely be white or off white, including the holster and flap. I think you are the only person that picked up on that so far! It's only that way in the website to make it more legible. Good stuff Mr. Rice!
 
K.I.S.S.

What's wrong with my nightstand drawer? It's in the same place every time with no chance of the pressure from my head or an unusual movement by my arms, hands, or some 'rough stuff' going on in the bed causing an AD or ND.

And the nightstand drawer doesn't cost anything.

A patent lawyer and patent will cost several thousand dollars and insurance will likely be difficult and expensive to purchase - and despite your warning signs, some idiot will figure out a way to use the pillow that you didn't foresee and is not covered under your warning, and you'll get sued.

For instance, have you considered the long term affects of storing a handgun in foam? Let's say that the memory foam reacts badly with firearm finish and after long term storage everybody's guns rust. Now you have a product recall AND are sued in a class action suit by 100,000 product owners for the replacement cost of their gun.

Again, I endorse your creativity, but from a product, gun safety and legal standpoint I think this is just a lame duck idea and you'll spend your savings trying to get this off the ground and I doubt it will work.

Look at the responses here, among GUN OWNERS. The majority here won't buy it. Who are you going to market it to? Even if someone IS inclined to buy it, saying they'll buy it and actually buying it are two wildly different things.

If you pursue it, good luck to you.
 
leadcounsel, nobody said anything about something wrong with your nightstand drawer. But I can think of some things I don't like about it. One is that I would have to remove the weapon after each night to put it in a safe place during the day when gone. If you don't do this you're begging to get rid of your weapon and you'd be much better off with a pillow like this that 999 out of 1000 BGs wouldn't even dream of looking at twice.

I do have a gun in a nightstand right now, but if you open the doors you won't see it. It's behind a false wall made with the same wood and stained to match the nightstand intself. I'd never just leave it in a drawer. If you're doing that, then you have much bigger worries than you'd ever have with this pillow.

Another thing is the travel aspect. I don't much imagine you'd be hauling your nightstand around with you.

3rd, if your gun is that likely to go off with "unusual movement by my arms, hands, or some 'rough stuff' going on in the bed," my suggestion would be to get it in to a gunsmith and have it checked out. You should be able to throw this pillow all over the room without your firearm going off. Only use a safe functioning firearm in it. Guns are made to be functionally safe and have to endure more than you having a bad dream. (or a good one)

If the unknown effects of foam worry you, try stainless and/or get the thing out and inspect it every so often. I'd never permanently store a firearm that I depend on for protection without checking it out regularly.

So, the stated legal aspects seems rather moot with the proper precautions, the safety aspects stated seem so nil as to hardly be worth mentioning beyond always using proper gun safety under any circumstances. And as for the last statement, the only thing that the majority of "GUN OWNERS" buy, is GUNs! I probably have lots of thing that the majority of you never will, but they're in stores out there if you want 'em.

I'm not sure why so many in here are just *reacting* to this concept with such old and outdated notions. There seems to be a mindset that wants to put a stop to this. Why is that?

Personally, I could see myself buying two of these things, if and when they become available.

Ed
 
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