I don't BELIEVE this @#$% judge!!!

[Camp David]

Flood the court with complaints:

Chittenden District Court
32 Cherry Street, Suite 300
Burlington, VT 05401
(802) 651-1950

AND:

The Judicial Conduct Board is responsible for reviewing and investigating all complaints of misconduct or disability by Vermont judicial officers. Contact:

Christopher L. Davis, Esq.
275 College Street
P.O. Box 721
Burlington, VT 05402

I say this judge either committed misconduct or is functionally disabled. In any case, he needs to go......

Thank you for posting address of Court; I hope everyone writes a letter of disgust about this joke of a judge calling for his disbarment and departure... such a poor excuse for humanity needs a quick letter of termination from his employ... I cannot imagine how the family of the victim feels... This judge is not only functionally diabled but a genuine threat to the community. Write to the Court demanding this piece of filth be immediately fired from the bench.

 

[wmenorr67]

Here in Oklahoma a guy just got the maximum of a year in jail and $500 fine for burning trash during the burn ban. And this guy gets 60 days for rape of a child. Surprised he didn't get time served with the way the judge spouted off on his political tangent. :banghead:

 

[Capital Punishment]

That is just utterly discusting.

 

[Fastlane]

I agree with Drew and if they want to pull my sorry a$$ into court for threatening a judge then so be it. I am old and I hurt in places that I didn't have 10 years ago. I might decide not to go with them.

 

[erik the bold]

Vermont Rules of Judicial Conduct

RULE 8.4 MISCONDUCT
It is professional misconduct for a lawyer to:
(a) violate or attempt to violate the Rules of Professional Conduct, knowingly
assist or induce another to do so, or do so through the acts of another;
(b) engage in a "serious crime," defined as illegal conduct involving any felony
or involving any lesser crime a necessary element of which involves interference with the
administration of justice, false swearing, intentional misrepresentation, fraud, deceit, bribery,
extortion, misappropriation, theft, or an attempt or a conspiracy or solicitation of another to
commit a "serious crime";
(c) engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation;
(d) engage in conduct that is prejudicial to the administration of justice;
(e) state or imply an ability to influence improperly a government agency or
official;
(f) knowingly assist a judge or judicial officer in conduct that is a violation of
applicable rules of judicial conduct or other law;
(g) discriminate against any individual because of his or her race, color, religion,
ancestry, national origin, sex, sexual orientation, place of birth or age, or against a qualified
handicapped individual, in hiring, promoting or otherwise determining the conditions of
employment of that individual; or
(h) engage in any other conduct which adversely reflects on the lawyer's fitness
to practice law.


I think there's enough here to give this guy "Das Boot"


The Vermont constitution contains two explicit
standards by which judges can be removed from office. Chapter II, § 58
provides: “Every officer of State, whether judicial or executive, shall be liable
to be impeached by the House of Representatives, either when in office or
after resignation or removal for mal-administration.”
The other standard for removing a judge from office specifies the length
of judicial tenure. Chapter II, § 36 states: “The justices of the Supreme Court
and the judges of all subordinate courts shall hold office during good behavior
for the terms for which they are appointed.”75 The phrase “hold office”
implies that if a judge behaved “badly”, removal from office would be
appropriate.

 

[another okie]

Abuses of judicial discretion like this are why they had sentencing guidelines in the federal courts, though the Supreme Court has decided these are not really binding any more.

I hope everyone remembers this abuse of discretion the next time we rant about zero tolerance or sentencing guidelines that take away administrative or judicial discretion. Now you know why such rules and laws limiting judicial discreition exist.

Now for all the screamers out there, I'm not saying zero tolerance is either good or bad and I think this sentence is stupid and wrong. I'm just asking you to understand why we wind up with practices such as zero tolerance - it's because judges or school administrators abuse their discretion.

So recognize there's no perfect solution to this. If we let people in powerful positions use their judgment, sometimes they will make bad judgments. If we don't let them use their judgment, the punishments will often seem arbitrary and not suited to the particular situation.

 

[chaim]

For those who think some kind of corruption must be involved, I don't think so. I spent some time (only 8 months) in VT, and I think this guy is a true believer. As great as the state is, I don't think you'll find a bigger collection of "granolas" who never outgrew the 1960s anywhere else (maybe San Fran).

Anyone in the know who can answer this? I know that prosecutors cannot appeal a decision due to double jeapardy. However, can they appeal the verdict? I hope so.

I also think it may be time for the VT authorities to look into impeachment proceedings.

 

[SJG26]

Watch the news.............

...and I'm willing to wager at least one, perhaps two entries in the obituaries 61+ days after he is sentenced.............................

 

[matis]

Hey, why all the excitement?

This is an enlightened judge with an up-to-date mindset.



We all know that the bible is mythology. This judge is doing his best to apply modern, rational thinking to his difficult job.


I mean -- what do you want? A return to barbaric Mosaic law or something?



matis

 

[dolanp]

We all know that the bible is mythology. This judge is doing his best to apply modern, rational thinking to his difficult job.

The irony of your statement is that the Bible is what preaches this kind of forgiveness.

 

[foghornl]

The judge said he no longer believes in punishment and is more concerned about rehabilitation.

I believe in rehabilitaion through re-incarnation.

Not anywhere near "The High Road", but I suspect that if this had been one of our family members in the place of that small child, said perp would not see sunrise #61.

 

[danurve]

Well another fine example of Western Civilization in the crapper. And another liberal judge waisting time trying to rehabilitate trash. Liberalism is the art of counseling while western culture disolves itself.

 

[Combat-wombat]

"Justice", as used today, is just a euphemism for "vengance". The objective of the court system is not to severely punish people for crimes on the idea that "they deserve it". I'm not necessarily saying that the sentencing in this particular instance is appropriate- it could definitely be argued that this guy poses a danger to society when released. I completely agree that he's a terrible person for the crimes he committed. Victims' families "getting justice", though, is an idea that's outdated and just plain wrong. Revenge is a completely irrational, illogical emotion that doesn't belong in a government system that's supposedly fair and balanced. Judges need to look at appropriate sentencing that provides a logical, unbiased solution- not retribution and punishment.

 

[matis]

The irony of your statement is that the Bible is what preaches this kind of forgiveness.

And the irony o f YOUR statement is that you don't know your bible.



I specified MOSAIC law, now the new testament.



matis

 

[Camp David]

I specified MOSAIC law, now the new testament.

Actually you said this matis=>

We all know that the bible is mythology..

And it most certainly is not.

...be that as it may, however, the Judge in Burlington did not apply the law as writen for punishment of the rapist, but instead varied from the law. That is why judge needs to be removed or impeached from the bench... Laws cannot be interpreted by Judges merely applied. That is the problem.

 

[Gordon Fink]

What a cruel joke on the family to give this guy a 60 day sentance.

Given the length of time that the abuse continued, I suspect the perpetrator is either a member of the victim’s family or someone very close to it.

Are judges in Vermont elected? If so, I imagine this one is serving his last term.

~G. Fink

 

[matis]

I believe in rehabilitaion through re-incarnation.

Not anywhere near "The High Road", but...

Foghornl, WHY is justice not on The High Road?


There is no high road without it.




In the Jewish Publication Society English version of the Old Testament, I notice that after every sentence in Deuteronomy prescribing death for a capital offence, there is a comma.

Following the comma it says, "..so that Israel shall remain pure."


There is no civilized society without justice.


And even if you COULD rehabilitate, say, a murderer, where is justice for his victim and family?


Instead we have OUR enlightened version of "justice".

We dispense (relatively) short sentences to murderers and rapists.

Then we are dismayed to see some of them repeat their offenses.




Are not the purveyors of such "justice" themselves culpable for the new victims they have created?



Combat-Wombat, we are not any more enlightened than were the Jews of ancient Israel. Some of us are simply deluded that we can improve on Torah.


Life is real and some crimes do irreparable harm.

Letting the criminals off lightly creates the kind of chaotic society we now live in.


"Making nice" doesn't work. It simply reveals the arrogance of those who think they know better -- even how to reverse gravity.



It say in Talmud, "If you are kind to the cruel you will end by being cruel to the kind.



matis

 

[buzz_knox]

And the irony o f YOUR statement is that you don't know your bible.



I specified MOSAIC law, now the new testament.



matis

The New Testament does not in any way support this crap. It recognizes that one's transgressions against God can be remedied, but the consequences of one's actions are still for the person to bear.

 

[matis]

Actually you said this matis=>

"We all know that he bible is mythology."

And it most certainly is not.

...be that as it may, however, the Judge in Burlington did not apply the law as writen for punishment of the rapist, but instead varied from the law. That is why judge needs to be removed or impeached from the bench... Laws cannot be interpreted by Judges merely applied. That is the problem.

Camp David, you forgot my last sentence which referred to "Mosaic Law".


I do agree with the rest of your post.



matis

 

[Carl N. Brown]

how .... do they figure that this lasted 4 years

The girl was raped when she was 7, 8, 9, and 10 years old.
That could easily be FOUR full years.

This judge will be on The O'Reilly Factor. Any bets?

 

[Carl N. Brown]

That child will be suffering a life sentence, and the perp gets 60 days?

 

[matis]

The New Testament does not in any way support this crap. It recognizes that one's transgressions against God can be remedied, but the consequences of one's actions are still for the person to bear.

Buzz_knox, if you choose to call the Old Testament, "crap", then as you wrote above, you will have to bear the consequences of YOUR action.



I am not interested in an argument over Judaism vs Christianity and that is not why I posted.



We live in what remains of a Judeo-Christian society.



All I'm saying is that a society that thinks it has evolved to the point where it is immune to reality is doomed to collapse.


If you are a believer, then this society has cast aside the laws of G-d.


If you are not, then you think that rules for living that took us thousands of years to work out -- that we are now so enlightened that these no longer apply.

Either way, I call that arrogance and a fatal stupidity.


And I would say that this judge, after all his years on the bench, learned only to substitute HIS idea of justice in place of the foundational values of our civilization.

In my book (pun intended) that makes him both arrogant and stupid.



matis

 

[buzz_knox]

The crap at issue is the judge's actions. The only thing in your response I took issue with was the false statement that the New Testament in any way supported this judge's actions.

 

[matis]

The crap at issue is the judge's actions.

In that case I misunderstood you and I apologize.

The only thing in your response I took issue with was the false statement that the New Testament in any way supported this judge's actions.

Then I misread that part also. However, If you reread my post you'll see that I never mentioned the New Testament.



I think we each misunderstood the other and you are not my target.


Peace,



matis

 

[buzz_knox]

Then I owe an apology as well. I apparently misinterpreted

I specified MOSAIC law, now the new testament.

as an attempt to contrast the law of the Old Testament, with the principles of grace established in the New Testament. I thought the "now" was a typo and it was supposed to be "not."

I think we're on the same page in the final analysis