Knives a threat in the hands of the law abiding - no punishment for criminal use (UK)

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Teenage sex attacker walks free
14:17pm 4th August 2006

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A teenage sex attacker walked free from court today despite confessing to raping a 12-year-old girl while armed with a knife.

The schoolboy, who was aged 14 at the time of the attack, met the youngster outside a shop in Winton, Salford, Greater Manchester, before they went to an alleyway where she stripped naked and he assaulted her.

The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, pleaded guilty to a charge of rape but was spared jail by the judge at Manchester's Minshull Street Crown Court yesterday.

Greater Manchester Police said the boy had threatened the girl with a knife before raping her.

But Judge Jeffrey Lewis found that although the teenager had intimidated the girl with the knife, he had not used it during the rape. The boy was sentenced to a two year supervision order and will now have to sign the sex offenders register.

The court was told the 12-year-old victim had been out playing with friends when she visited the Late Shop on Parrin Lane at around 5.30pm on January 18.

She was standing outside the shop with a 9-year-old boy when the teenager, now aged 15, approached them and told the little boy to go into the shop.

He and the girl then went to a nearby alleyway, while he was still carrying the knife, and he told her to undress.

She performed oral sex on him before he allowed her to get dressed and walked her back to a bus-stop outside the shop.

The boy was arrested the following day and later charged with rape.

Following a hearing yesterday Judge Lewis sentenced the boy, who had already served seven months on remand, to a two-year supervision order.

He will also be electronically tagged and be subject to a curfew between 8pm and 7am for three months.

He will also have to sign the sex offenders' register for two years.

The boy pleaded guilty to rape on June 22 but had denied using the knife. He was found guilty following a trial on June 29.

Judge Lewis ruled this was not an incident where the girl had been raped at knifepoint, adding there was "no nexus between the knife and the commission of the crime".

He said the boy had intimidated the girl with the weapon but this was in order to attempt to prevent her from telling others about the attack. He added the girl had joined the boy in the alleyway voluntarily.
 
Churchill must be getting dizzy from spinning in his grave so much.

This is typical of the modern-day British. Knife assault? Pass a new law restricting knives, thereby punishing everyone EXCEPT the actual criminal.

The actual criminal, of course, is a troubled youth needing more sympathy and social programs.
 
But Judge Jeffrey Lewis found that although the teenager had intimidated the girl with the knife, he had not used it during the rape.

I am sorry, but where I come from if you use a weapon to intimidate someone into being raped, then the weapon WAS used in the rape. I swear, what part of the brain do they remove before they let someone sit on the bench in Britain?:banghead: :fire:
 
I don't care if he was armed or not, does anyone actually believe that the average 14 year old boy couldn't overpower the average 12 year old girl if he wanted too? Esspecialy at that age 2 years is a world of difference in the human body and how physicaly developed it is.

He commited rape with a knife, even if he hadnt it was still rape. And rape deserves a hell of a lot more then that. Boys will be boys doesn't apply when you take a girl in an ally at knife point and rape her.
 
What a mestup place. Anybody want to place a bet that says he will do it again? I have the strangest notion that public hangings would be very effective at curbing crime. These kind of things make my skin crawl, as I have a 12 year old sister.
 
A few details:

the girl had joined the boy in the alleyway voluntarily.

She performed oral sex on him

this was not an incident where the girl had been raped at knifepoint, adding there was "no nexus between the knife and the commission of the crime".

the boy had intimidated the girl with the weapon but this was in order to attempt to prevent her from telling others about the attack.

This was a consensual oral sex act (as much as a 12-y.oo and a 14-y.o. can legally consent) and the knife didn't enter into the picture until after the act had been committed.
 
A teenage sex attacker walked free from court today despite confessing to raping a 12-year-old girl while armed with a knife.

The schoolboy, who was aged 14 at the time of the attack, met the youngster outside a shop in Winton, Salford, Greater Manchester, before they went to an alleyway where she stripped naked and he assaulted her.

The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, pleaded guilty to a charge of rape but was spared jail by the judge at Manchester's Minshull Street Crown Court yesterday.

Greater Manchester Police said the boy had threatened the girl with a knife before raping her.

But Judge Jeffrey Lewis found that although the teenager had intimidated the girl with the knife, he had not used it during the rape.


Sounds like he used a knife to force her to perform a sex act.
He did not stab her with the knife while he was raping her so its OK.:fire:
 
Greater Manchester Police said the boy had threatened the girl with a knife before raping her.

Car Knocker, where did you get your first quote?

Sounds like there is a bit of misinformation. The few facts are spread throughout the article. My impression reading some of it is that he did force her to commit a sexual act on him. Whether he had a knife to her throat during the act or not is not relevant to me.
 
Sadly, the youth justice system in this country is worthy only of contempt; I would like to say this case is unique, but that would be a lie.

Of course, the root cause of this is that those of a liberal bent see the criminals in these cases as kids, and not criminals, and have twisted the system to reflect that over the past thirty years. There is a lot of criticism aimed at the "British liberal justice system" over the past few years, much of it wide of the mark, but if it is true of any part of the UK criminal justice system then it will be true of youth "justice"

That we now have cases such as this - in which the Judge can, in open court, claim that the fact that someone didnt use a knife when raping someone (and it was rape, not a rape-by-reason-of-age) but only in order to threaten her to be silent mitigates the offence would be flabbergasting, but for anyone who has been involved with youth "justice" for any length of time it will come as no surprise:

The boy pleaded guilty to rape on June 22 but had denied using the knife. He was found guilty following a trial on June 29.

Judge Lewis ruled this was not an incident where the girl had been raped at knifepoint, adding there was "no nexus between the knife and the commission of the crime".

He said the boy had intimidated the girl with the weapon but this was in order to attempt to prevent her from telling others about the attack.

He added the girl had joined the boy in the alleyway voluntarily.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/219/219877_teen_sex_attacker_walks_free.html

It is not the case of a rogue judge either, for an example its an almost daily occurance in the part of London where I live that a kid is arrested having breached the conditions of his/her bail, put before the local youth court and then released under the exact same conditions (if they havent reduced them) - the kid then goes on to breach them again, and again, and again, as well as committing further offences whilst on bail.

I have also heard a magistrate at a London Youth Court in all seriousness suggest that a "child" who beat up and robbed an off-duty police officer and his friend with a bunch of other thugs hadnt turned up at Court because "he is probably out playing in the school holidays" (sadly he had been placed inside a youth prison for beating up and robbing an old lady, but the court transfer chaps hadnt brought him).

The system is a scandal waiting for someone to raise a fuss about it, as the below report from the Guardian suggests (by the way, the Guardian is one of the few papers to draw attention to the outrageous state of youth justice - the others have remained silent, even about this case)

http://society.guardian.co.uk/societyguardian/story/0,,1600158,00.html

The irony is that if the Youth Court system did its job and gave justice to victims by giving appropriate punishments and enforcing compliance then children would recognize that they cannot taunt the system as they do now and the rate of youth offending would decrease.

Sadly though that would require those who are behind this utterly disasterous policy to admit they are wrong, which is something they will probably fail to do.
 
If one follows the logic:

The boy and girl should both sue and win damages from the shop owner.
 
Car Knocker, where did you get your first quote?

The very last sentence of the original post.

Agricola,

What is the definition of rape in England? I believe, in most of the U.S., this would be a lesser charge. In Utah, it would probably be charged as sodomy.
 
1 Rape

(1) A person (A) commits an offence if-



(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, **** or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,



(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and



(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

(2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.

(3) Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts2003/30042--b.htm
 
This is just sad. If this happened here, I would like to sit as a juror on the murder trial of the father who killed the judge.
I wouldn't mind sitting as a juror and acquitting - or, at least, hanging the jury - at the trial of the girl's father for doing away with the perp.
 
Maybe they should try a "rape amnesty" next. Try allowing all the criminals to admit they may try to rape a young girl in the near future in exchange for leniency.

Hell, why not....
 
Yea, and now look, even in TEXAS!

http://www.ketknbc.com/news/local/3488811.html

Knives making comeback in East Texas
By Aaron Smith

The blade has made a rapid comeback in recent years. So why the increase now, and when is a knife illegal?

You can tote a gun in Texas, but knives are much easier to get your hands on. Faced with the increase threat, officers are taking notice.

As KETK 56 News made our way through Tyler we found knife after knife after knife. They are usually carried by men. The ones KETK 56 News spoke with say they carry it for fishing or other types of handy work. However, that’s not all they're being used for.

It was last May when 17-year-old Joshua Petrea had his throat slashed with a knife at the hands of other teens. The trial of his suspected killers is still ongoing, but they probably used a knife because it was accessible. Unlike guns, knives are legal, well most of them anyway.

"An illegal knife is anything that is over 5 1/2 inches, the blade," said Don Martin of the Tyler Police Department.

It’s illegal to carry any switchblade or any knife that uses a spring load.

"You hit the button and it pops open,” Martin said. “It’s easy to stab someone."

You will still find switchblades sold in East Texas. It's legal for officers to carry them. Mack Woods, owner of the Shootist, says he has seen both ladies and men coming in to buy sharp steel.

"They're looking for some kind of self-defense thing, and they can't afford a gun,” Woods said. “Sometimes they're looking for something else and sometimes they look at knives."

The FBI is even taking notice, stating that it's likely that more than 1,000 law-enforcement agents will be attacked with an edged weapon.

Though they are legal, Tyler police are still taking proactive steps when dealing with anyone carrying a knife.

"Depending on the situation we may say hey, you mind if I see your knife while I’m talking to you for my safety," Martin said.

In Tyler there is some good news. Aggravated assaults went down by 2.5 percent in 2005. That includes assaults with any type of weapon.
 
"You hit the button and it pops open,” Martin said. “It’s easy to stab someone."

How is it easier to stab somone in this fashion than with a butter knife?:cuss: :banghead:
 
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