I don't BELIEVE this @#$% judge!!!

[Master Blaster]

There are three reasons why we sentance people to prison.

1. To protect individuals and society.

2. Rehabilitation.

3. Deterrence.

Since serious sex offenders, and especially pedophiles have something close to a 100% recidivism rate. 1 and 3 are the principal reasons for giving this turd a prison sentance.

The Judge has gone senile and needs to be removed from the bench immediately.

All I can say to the victims family Is if this were my daughter, I would go to Dicks and buy an inexpensive aluminium baseball bat, and when this scum bag was released, I would break every bone in his body, every one.
Shooting is too good for him.

 

[McCall911]

For those who think some kind of corruption must be involved, I don't think so. I spent some time (only 8 months) in VT, and I think this guy is a true believer. As great as the state is, I don't think you'll find a bigger collection of "granolas" who never outgrew the 1960s anywhere else (maybe San Fran).

You may be right, Chaim. And, yet again, it could be a combination of both liberalism and corruption. I can see where corruption could so easily be hidden behind a front of liberalism.

Anyway, we can agree that this judge needs to be impeached! I don't know Vermont law, but I would think that there is a minimum sentence for sex crimes and commonsense tells me that it should be more than 60 days!

 

[carlrodd]

And this loopy judge who's having some kind of personal crisis has unwittingly issued a call for a lynching.
What an idiot.
-David

interesting insight, in that a decision like this at the very least causes what may have been non-violent people to consider violence as an alternative, as they see that the government cannot or will not protect them. so the delusional judge who has seen enough violence, has laid groundwork for further violence. i know i feel like hitting someone now.

 

[mbt2001]

This article is PROOF that the system is failing. Look around. There are drug dealers on street corners... Assualts go un-investigated. But if WE took the law in our own hands, we are criminals.

The system is broken. I can only think of a few ways to fix it... :banghead:

 

[cookekdjr]

Tried to e-mail to Cashman, but it did not go through.
Here's the text:

Dear Judge Cashman,

I read with dismay the sentence you handed down in Mr. Hulett's case. I was
particularly disturbed by your comments that you "no longer believe that
punishment works".
Your Honor, punishment isn't just for the offender. Its for society- to
protect them, and its for victims, to tell them they are valuable and mean
something.
Your sentence in this case did everything but drop Mr. Hulett off at the
nearest school yard with a bag of candy. What kind of message does it send a little girl when Mr. Hulett gets less time for raping her than a kid who's
grounded by his parents for staying out all night? What kind of message are
you sending society?
Respectfully, I do not think this case is about the defendant, his crime, or
the victim. Its about you. Judges meet out punsihment. Its their job. If you
no longer belieave in your job, its time for you to step down. Otherwise,
you're just showing up to collect a paycheck, instead of carrying out duties
and values you swore you would uphold.
There are plenty of people who think like you, Your Honor. They are called
defense attroneys. They would welcome you with open arms, although I'm sure they'd prefer you be where you are now. And if that's the case, ask
yourself: Why is that? Do I believe in my job? do I believe that people
should ever be held accountable? And if so, why not a child rapist?
Children are defenseless. They have no way to stop people like Mark Hulett.
That's what you are for. That is your job. And when you don't do it, it
builds disrespect for the law and its institutions. What you did in this
case encourages vigilanteism, and a distrust of our basic institutions. Do
you really want to continue to undermine the system? Do you want to
encourage people to seek revenge on their own instead of seek justice in the
courts?
Mark Hulett got less than 30 days (maybe a week?) for every time he raped
that girl.
What do you think your sentence says about you, Your Honor?
Sincerely,

David Cooke

 

[Camp David]

Tried to e-mail to Cashman, but it did not go through.
Here's the text:

David:

GOOD LETTER

If you don't get your letter through, you can send it instead to the state's largest newspaper, THE BURLINGTON FREE PRESS, to their on-line Letters To The Editor feature at:

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/letters.shtml

I am sure if they get enough of them they'll publish and that will be a bigger slap at this lunatic judge than actual e-mail, which the judge will probably ignore... I urge everyone to visit this site and send a note about this crazy judge!!!

The Burlington Free Press also accepts letters sent via regular mail, if you prefer that route=> Burlington Free Press, Burlington, Vermont.

 

[Strings]

Just a couple points...

to whomever couldn't understand how the parents didn't know: you'ld be supprised at what can happen in an abuse case. In all cases, there's some form of manipulation used to keep the child quiet about what's going on (threats, making the child feel responsible for the crime, convincing the child that this is just a form of affection and harmless). Many parents, when they DO find out, can't stomach the idea that they didn't know, that they were "bad parents". It's all an incredibly convoluted minefield...

As for the perp being executed: that can quite often be VERY useful for the child's emotional recovery, as they now know beyond a doubt that their abuser can't hurt them anymore. unfortunately, in cases where the abuser is a member of the family, it can go the other way (feelings of "it's my fault uncle Dave is dead now")...

One thing that I feel should be pointed out: in our training, we were told to NEVER show any anger about what has happened to the child, as they could very easily see such a display as "their fault".

 

[cookekdjr]

David:

GOOD LETTER

If you don't get your letter through, you can send it instead to the state's largest newspaper, THE BURLINGTON FREE PRESS, to their on-line Letters To The Editor feature at:

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/letters.shtml

Thanks,
letter is on its way.
Now, back to drafting indictments against child pornographers and dirty cops!
-David

 

[longeyes]

The judiciary lives in never-never land. When we organize and begin removing them from office they'll start getting the message that we don't want them confusing their personal feelings with the law.

 

[Jack Straw from Wichita]

I'd say that individual needs to be disarmed.

What was that line from Sin City? When the detective caught the child molestor?

"I removed his weapons - both of them."



-Jack

 

[Waitone]

A few observations in no particular order

--A society demonstrates what it values by what it punishes
--We will be able to determine what Vermont values by how it deals with the good judge.
--Justice and law are not one and the same.
--The law is our best and most frequent path to justice but under no circumstances should the two be equated.
--Sometimes justice is best delivered via a Big Mac
--The demand for revenge is tempered by the imposition of justice. Failing adequate administration of justice we can expect alternative sentences to be imposed.

THR posters are outraged, as well they should be. I however, am not surprised.

 

[Shalako]

Revenge is a completely irrational, illogical emotion that doesn't belong in a government system that's supposedly fair and balanced. Judges need to look at appropriate sentencing that provides a logical, unbiased solution- not retribution and punishment.

I don't believe justice is revenge. Justice is balancing fouls against society. The foul must be balanced with the correct punishment. In this case, society desrves to be totally rid of someone who knowingly and willfully commits a repeated heinous crime against one of our most vulnerable and valuable assets, a young child.

Justice. Pure and simple.

 

[Turkey Creek]

I've said it a million times so I might as well start on the second million- the law is whatever some loon in a black robe says it is- forget the semantics and phylosophical discussions re the Bible- it boils down to what is right and what is wrong- except in the minds of a select few of elite enlightened, which painfully, includes this completely out of touch individual masquarading as a judge ( how's that for appeasing the moderators?) this is so obviously wrong as to be well beyond comprehension by the rest of us dolts- some day someone sitting on the bench will repeat this travesty, but will cross paths with a family member of the victim who just will not care about the consequences and said bench squatter will come a cropper big time- I'm just surprised it hasn't happened yet

 

[Lindenberger]

Thread Drift

The religious conversation here is major thread drift. This is a secular question of judicial powers in law and abuse (I think) of it by a judge. I would keep it there.

It may be a major thread drift to you; others among us apparently disagree with your analysis.

 

[Jack Straw from Wichita]

Child molester in Oakland CA gets probation

In the same vein as the original post:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2006/01/06/state/n083855S58.DTL

"A 67-year-old man convicted on 66 charges involving the sexual assault of a child was released from jail and placed on probation, authorities said."

In this case, the law itself is to blame, not a reluctant judge. Still a rotten situation, though.

-Jack

 

[cookekdjr]

This article is PROOF that the system is failing. Look around. There are drug dealers on street corners... Assualts go un-investigated. But if WE took the law in our own hands, we are criminals.

The system is broken. I can only think of a few ways to fix it... :banghead:

Respectfully, the system did not fail. The judge did.
The system depends upon people to do their duty. He did not do his.
End of story.
-David

 

[odysseus]

It may be a major thread drift to you; others among us apparently disagree with your analysis.

Well jeez thanks for keeping me updated on that Lindenberger. On that same note of stating the obvious, the sun will be rising again this morning.

Look - I may also agree with some of the religous concepts mentioned, but look to Art's post about following the rules. I personally also think this is less my opinion and more the art of critical thinking when we look to this case. I see less a reason to raise the flag to all about Christian Biblical reasoning for the concept of justice in this, than as a gross negligence of a misguided and irresponsible judge abusing his bench power.

 

[PCGS65]

There was outrage Wednesday when a Vermont judge handed out a 60-day jail sentence to a man who raped a little girl many,many times over a four-year span starting when she was seven.

Is this some kind of a sick perverted joke!!! :banghead:

 

[matis]

Ah ok just wanted to make sure we're talking about the eye for an eye god and not the turn the other cheek god. Got it.

Again, without wishing to get into religious argument, both of your characterizations here mean little without the interpretaton and commentary that has become part of the religion.


Turning the other cheek is not the complete teaching of Christianity. Or there would be no Christian members of this gun forum.


As for an eye for an eye, this too is interpreted and means that retribution (something given or demanded in payment, especially in religion) must be exacted. This is translated into money damages. The perpetrator must pay for the damage he inflicted. Without consequences how can you expect people to keep the laws? Most of us are not saints, are we?


If you look at a page of Pentateuch (first five books of Moses = Old Testament), even an English translation, you will see a small rectangle of print in a box in the center. That is verse, a passge from Torah. All the rest of the page surrounding this central box, more than half, is devoted to commentary on the passage. The commentary comes from various writers, some going back over 1000 years. They explicate the text in the greatest of detail. They discuss the meaning of the words, the letters, why, say, plural rather than signular was used, and so on. Since Judaism is thousands of years old, the Torah and its commentary comprise a body of knowledge profound in its philosophy and sublime in its wisdom.


One doesn't have to believe in G-d to acknowledge this. One needs only to be objective and fair-minded.



And in Deuteronomy are to be founds words to the effect that a judge must neither be lenient toward the rich out of respect, nor toward the poor out of pity.

Has human nature changed in any way so as to invalidate that?

That, to my mind, is justice. And that is what we have fallen a long way from, to our detriment.


I don't think this is thread drift, I think this is part of the thread subject -- how has that judge gone astray. Again, not trying to start a religious argument.





matis

 

[No_Brakes23]

I find it surprising that the judge has a daughter. Apparently sometime in the last 30 years he forgot what it felt like to be father. Perhaps he never knew.

As for rehabilitation, I can think of some very effecient and simple methods of "rehabilitating" the rapist.

As for the religious angle, I see the thread drift, and I almost got caught up in it. I think the usually strict moderation here at THR is good, but I guess I will just have to accept that the double standard with regard to Judeo-Christian religion is just a byproduct of our culture.

 

[Ryder]

Is this some kind of a sick perverted joke

It very well could be.

Consider that definitions have changed because of political correctness and realize the fact that not one single detail of this guy's actions are known by anybody except those directly involved. For all we know he may have been convicted for toweling her off after a swim in the backyard swimming pool.

You can't even take baby pictures of your own baby naked in the tub these days without being convicted of child porn. A couple of grandparents found that out a while back when the film developers turned them in to the police.

 

[PCGS65]

Originally by Rider, You can't even take baby pictures of your own baby naked in the tub these days without being convicted of child porn. A couple of grandparents found that out a while back when the film developers turned them in to the police.

Rider I remember that now that you mention it. I had a cute picture of my son when he was <1 that I threw in the garbage because I think you could see his hind end. What a shame that the police state is here already.
Here in Illinois I see people are getting two DUI's at the same time. One for driving under the influence and one for driving with a BAC over .08!!
I wonder when they will issue two tickets for speeding? One for speeding "X" mph over the limit and one for disobeying the speed limit!! :banghead:

 

[GigaBuist]

If a crying female child laying beneath you doesn't clue you into the fact that what you're doing is WRONG then I have no idea how you'd be rehabilitated. This judge must be a super genius of some kind.

What man, or woman, here wouldn't stop what they were doing if it made a little girl cry and reconsider their actions? I can't think of a stronger deterrent than a young girl with tears in her eyes.

The judge needs to step down; he's lost touch with reality.

 

[Waitone]

One of the talking head shows said the judge was making a statement trying to compel to legislature to do what he wanted done.

If true the man is an animal in that he sacrificed justice for a child to achieve his own ends. His job is to do the judge thingy, not legislate. In any case he is not fit for the bench.

 

[mbs357]

I wonder...
How much time would a person get for shooting his privates off?
A few years, no doubt.