I don't get buying guns online.

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I buy where I can save the most money, which is usually online. People cry out "you should support you local dealer". I figure I am when he gets $25 bucks for the transfer.....Pretty good money for picking up the mail and doing a little paperwork.
 
You guys probably don't want to know this and at some point they will figure out how to collect it but the PURCHASER is legally liable for the sales tax on everything they purchase. The local merchant acts a an agent for the taxing authorities in the area but the purchaser is actually who is responsible for paying the sales taxes.

No I'm not a lawyer, just an engineer, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night either but, a sales tax is by definition a tax on selling something.
A use tax or purchase tax, is a tax on buying something or using a service.
Everybody is so used to the retail merchants adding the sales tax to the purchase price that they think they are required to pay the sales tax. Not true.
The merchant is required to pay the sales tax, that's why they have to have a permit from the state to sell and often have to post a bond to ensure that they pay the sales tax.
Hell even half of our legislature don't understand this and they try to write laws changing this relationship.
Of course I could be wrong, it's been a long time since I took civics in high school. And God knows they've changed things around and muddled up meanings.
 
Local can't compete with online prices. Which is fine... I buy local when the discrepancy is minor. But tax is an issue on more expensive guns.

Local can also be quite a turn-off, when it comes to personality. If I go somewhere and get poor service, I won't go back. Rarely get that from an online place, most I use just accept order and ship within 3 days. No complaints.

Pricing on shipping/FFL is what makes or breaks an online deal. A lot of places have free shipping or just a couple bucks, my FFL charges $25... GrabAGun has $6 shipping on everything AND good deals. They ship quick, have good customer service, and I like using them. Same for a couple local places, even if they charge more. But there are other local places that won't see a dime of my money, despite their prices because of their service.
 
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You guys probably don't want to know this and at some point they will figure out how to collect it but the PURCHASER is legally liable for the sales tax on everything they purchase.
I think that most, if not all, of us realize that ... and will be concerned with such tax when "at some point they will figure out how to collect it".

Some online vendors (Amazon, for one), in fact, are beginning to collect those taxes, probably in anticipation of the "at some point" arriving sooner rather than later.
 
My town of 30,000 has zero gun dealers, unless you count Wal-Mart. No dealers I know of in the next town to the north. Next town to the south, a Gander Mountain with nothing I'm much interested in, and a mom'n'pop shop that thinks a great deal is only 30% over full retail.
 
There are no reasonably priced gun shops within 50 miles of here. Their prices are all atrocious. Buying online would be at least $200 cheaper on most guns.
It's not like you can return a defective gun to a local store, or exchange it, or get any help at all... I had a problem with my P226 that I bought brand new from a gun store/range and when I (very respectfully) showed them the problem, less than a month after I purchased it, they crossed their arms and said "send it back to Sig Sauer, it's your problem, not ours. Now kindly vacate our premises."
With support like that, there is ZERO (0) upside to buying local, paying sales tax local, and any of that jazz unless you need to have that gun right away and can't wait for it to ship. When an FFL can do the same thing for $20 and you can buy exactly what you want online at a far cheaper price, why bother going local?
 
I buy ALMOST everything online. Why fight traffic, parking, wait in line, "we don't have that size, item, etc", waste my time, gas, stress, etc... When I can relax on my couch, watch the game, drink a beer, avoid the stress, and have it delivered to my door?
 
I buy guns online for much lower pricing and most of the time instant access to exactly the model I want.

Although my next rifle will be a special order via local dealer because I can't find it online although i know mfr makes it.

I pay my Use taxes when I file. I hope all retailers online go the Amazon route and save me a few hours when filling out TurboTax.
 
I'd say over half of the time shipping (which is free sometimes) + the $20 for a transfer is less than sales tax. Now add to that the savings of the original price of the gun......online beats brick and mortar 80% of the time easily.
I'd rather buy from local guys but I'm not willing to lose to much.
That said most of the time I buy online (if it's new) it's because I went to my local guy and this conversation took place....

Me: "I want this gun"..... Hand him a print out of the gun I want
Him: "let me check........I can't seem to be able to get it"
Me: "well, I'll just order that one then, so be expecting it"
Him: "ok, sounds good to me. I'll call you when it gets here"

I've probably had that conversation a dozen times.

Anyway the point is, most of the time they can't beat the price BUT they come close enough to where I'd pay the extra. And for some reason the few around I'll deal with don't have selection for squat. I honestly sometimes wonder if he isn't just lazy and would rather me order it than him.
 
I can almost always find guns cheaper online than at local places. Also many places will have free shipping sales. Also sales tax on items costing as much as firearms I buy is not insignificant. Typically as much as any shipping ans transfer. I pay $10 to transfer. In sum, I can typically save a pretty significant amount.
 
finding rare stuff is MUCH easier online. A few years back, I had to have a minty Marlin 336, pre-safety, deep shiny blue, high-gloss highly figured walnut. I'm not going to find that in my LGS. I found one on GB advertised as new / old stock. 1973 DOM. It had very detailed pics and an inspection period. I paid through the nose for it, but could not be happier. It shoots less than 1 MOA, handles like a dream, and is the prettiest gun I own. I could find zero evidence it had ever been fired. I'm still breaking-in the action.
 
A lot of these (your) local shops...are these online sellers...just go to Gunbroker and start looking up the websites and Google map locations of the sellers.

They are local shops...maybe not local to you....but still local.

I'll buy from the first one that has what I'm looking for...and I'm rarely, if ever, looking for something that is commonly carried in stock.
 
If I know what I want and I can get a good price on the internet, I'll give the LGS a chance to make the sale if he has the gun in stock or can order it. Even if the price is a little higher, I'll buy from my LGS. If they can't get the gun I want or if their price is much higher, I'll buy online.
 
Twice in the last year or so I called the local FFL I always use to notify him I was about to order a gun, and he matched the price (online price plus shipping and transfer fee). He got a sale and I got a discount.
 
Nowadays with all of the plastic guns and composite stocks are all the same anyway. So why not save a few bucks? Used to you looked at the wood and fingered the thing over and over. Even asked a few questions if you needed some help. I was qualifying last year, one guy bought his gun from a local dealer and was having several problems, he bought a .40 and it was the first time shooting it. When we looked at it, the dealer had sold him 9mm ammo and he was using it! The thing was actually shooting, but having jamming issues!
 
thirty-ought, I'm all for buying local and have bought, sold, traded, consigned,etc. at LGSs many times over the years. One shop in the city I grew up in always had the latest stuff, along with limited production,etc. at very competitive prices. As a consequence, they also had interesting trade-ins for sale. They greeted everybody who walked in the door, and acted like they wanted your business. They would send a gun for warranty repair if a customer asked. They were also happy to receive guns for me. After I moved away, they closed. I probably supported the place. The vast majority of other shops I have dealt with over a period of many years have not been as interesting or accomodating to deal with. High prices and lowest common denominator type stock. Lots of Glocks, Taurus, common used stuff at high prices, etc. Anything you may have to trade in is worth about .000002, etc.

Many of the guns I've wanted were limited production, out of production,unusual,etc. Guns that I would be unlikely to see in a gun shop. And if very occasionally found, offered at excruciatingly high prices. If I could get within ~$100.00 on the base price of a gun I want at a LGS, that I could actually examine, I'd prefer to buy local. The reality is, that more often than not, even current production firearms I've been interested in buying, were $200.00 or more than online. Latest example; base price of gun $300 more locally than online. Figuring in tax/shipping/FFL fees, etc, the difference between local and online "OTD" price was greater yet....ymmv
 
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Just curious and not trying to be a jerk, but... I've read a couple of your other posts and you're obviously a NEWB on the firearm scene. You are definitely in the right place to ask questions and learn.

I'm just curious... you bought your first rifle, a Marlin 60 .22lr... Why is your screen name "thirty-ought-six"? Good blues song?
 
but most reputable companies seem to 'include" the shipping fee inside their list price

No they do not. Buds might be an exception but most add shipping and insurance to the bill. That said, most online sellers have better deals than anything local unless you live in an area with a LOT of competition
 
Because I find better deals online than I do in local gun shops who insist on over pricing everything.
 
Because I find better deals online than I do in local gun shops who insist on over pricing everything.

No they don't.....they have a margin they need to meet. They offer a product at a certain asking price - you either agree to pay it or you don't.......try negotiating, and offer something realistic
 
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