I am no authority on these weapons, but a big time enthusiast who recognizes fact from nonsense. Every endeavor has enthusiasts and they all share stories, be it cars, fast women, gambling, sports, or what have you. What I have learned to recognize is people who know what they are talking and the others that are blowing smoke. Most of the talk about the 1911 type pistol is just that - talk, and worth exactly what you paid for it, i.e., nuthin. I'm glad we have real authorities about these weapons who show up and share their hard won expertise with us enthusiasts. Such men as 1911Tuner, Jim Keenan, Old Fuff, Richard Heinie, the late Brian Bilby, and Gale MacMillan gave out advice and still do despite the doubting Thomases who would sometimes try the patience of a saint. To all you guys, a big Thank You! from BigG Anybody I missed, it wasn't intentional!
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I have owned some exceptional 1911s over the years. I have owned a few really expensive ones that were junk out of the box.
I have owned a few cheaper ones that were very good out of the box.
The best out of the box 1911 I have ever owned was a Colt Combat Elite.
It was the ONLY 100% reliable 1911 I have ever seen.
I have also had a couple of older AMT Hardballers that were very good out of the box pistols for the money.
The Dan Wesson Pointman is a good cheaper 1911.
I have owned a few cheaper ones that were very good out of the box.
The best out of the box 1911 I have ever owned was a Colt Combat Elite.
It was the ONLY 100% reliable 1911 I have ever seen.
I have also had a couple of older AMT Hardballers that were very good out of the box pistols for the money.
The Dan Wesson Pointman is a good cheaper 1911.
Talkin' the Talk/Walkin' the Walk
BigG said:
What I have learned to recognize is people who know what they are talking and the others that are blowing smoke.
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Who was it that said:
"Education is what allows us to discern when a man is talking rot."
("Rot" being the British equivalent of S**t)
Mighty welcome BigG...Guys like you...the ones who appreciate it
are the reason that we do it. Though I can't speak for Mr. Keenan and
Fuff, I'd be willin' to bet that would hold true for them as well. Plus it
keeps me sharp when a real poser of a question comes up.
Cheers!
Tuner
BigG said:
What I have learned to recognize is people who know what they are talking and the others that are blowing smoke.
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Who was it that said:
"Education is what allows us to discern when a man is talking rot."
("Rot" being the British equivalent of S**t)
Mighty welcome BigG...Guys like you...the ones who appreciate it
are the reason that we do it. Though I can't speak for Mr. Keenan and
Fuff, I'd be willin' to bet that would hold true for them as well. Plus it
keeps me sharp when a real poser of a question comes up.
Cheers!
Tuner
AMT
Cornbread said:
I have also had a couple of older AMT Hardballers that were very good out of the box pistols for the money.
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Well, there ya go! Your luck has simply run backward. The AMT hardballer
and the Safari Arms 1911s were among some of the most plagued
pistols that I ever had the displeasure of workin' on. Awful!
I did learn a lot from htose, so it wasn't all bad. Everything was so far
out of spec that practically any parts replacement turned into a hand-fit
operation...and a maddening one at that!
Cheers!
Tuner
Cornbread said:
I have also had a couple of older AMT Hardballers that were very good out of the box pistols for the money.
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Well, there ya go! Your luck has simply run backward. The AMT hardballer
and the Safari Arms 1911s were among some of the most plagued
pistols that I ever had the displeasure of workin' on. Awful!
I did learn a lot from htose, so it wasn't all bad. Everything was so far
out of spec that practically any parts replacement turned into a hand-fit
operation...and a maddening one at that!
Cheers!
Tuner
The AMTs I had that were go good were back in the days that Colts would only feed ball and Springfield was just getting started. Kimber was not even in business.
That was a LONG time ago.
At the time Colts were so loose they did not shoot so well and had terrible triggers and those tiny sights.
The AMT came from the factory with a good safety and extended slide stop, decent trigger pulls and the slides were tight and the lock up on the barrel was tight front and rear. They also has good sights.
You were correct in saying that most were not so good BUT a few were really good out of the box.
The Safari Arms that I had experience with was the most expensive pieces of junk I have ever seen. It would be hard for even the greatest smiths to get a few of them to run.
Back in the old days I was very poor and I just could not afford to pay someone to fix all my screwed up 1911s so over the years I had to learn to do it myself.
In the beginning like everyone I learned the hard way after screwing up several of my pistols doing stupid things to them while trying to improving them. I screwed up hammers and sears and grip safetys and everything else one could with stones and dremal tools.
After 25 years or so I have made the hobby a part time job.
Now if I start with something half decent to begin with I can turn it into a good reliable and accurate piece.
1911s from the good makers today are MUCH better than some of the old stuff and most of the hand fitting and tuning that I used to have to do is no longer required.
I do like the 1911s and still buy a few now and then but I carry a Glock for serious business
That was a LONG time ago.
At the time Colts were so loose they did not shoot so well and had terrible triggers and those tiny sights.
The AMT came from the factory with a good safety and extended slide stop, decent trigger pulls and the slides were tight and the lock up on the barrel was tight front and rear. They also has good sights.
You were correct in saying that most were not so good BUT a few were really good out of the box.
The Safari Arms that I had experience with was the most expensive pieces of junk I have ever seen. It would be hard for even the greatest smiths to get a few of them to run.
Back in the old days I was very poor and I just could not afford to pay someone to fix all my screwed up 1911s so over the years I had to learn to do it myself.
In the beginning like everyone I learned the hard way after screwing up several of my pistols doing stupid things to them while trying to improving them. I screwed up hammers and sears and grip safetys and everything else one could with stones and dremal tools.
After 25 years or so I have made the hobby a part time job.
Now if I start with something half decent to begin with I can turn it into a good reliable and accurate piece.
1911s from the good makers today are MUCH better than some of the old stuff and most of the hand fitting and tuning that I used to have to do is no longer required.
I do like the 1911s and still buy a few now and then but I carry a Glock for serious business
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