I finally had a bad day on the range...

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Pat Riot said:
Just got kicks I went into the website for the indoor range I mentioned above that permits rifles.
They list approved cartridges for firing inside the range.
Here is a cut and paste from their website:

PermittedCalibers
All Caliber Handguns Permitted*

Rifle Calibers.223/5.56 7.62 - .308 30-06 30-30Permitted*

Shotguns With Shoulder Stocks Permitted Anytime. Rifle and Shotgun Targets at 15-25 Yards Only.

*As a general rule, Muzzle Energy over 4000 Ft Lbs will not be permitted at the range.

Their website: https://www.fieldtimetargetandtraining.com/

4000 ft/lbs is pretty hefty which equates to pretty darn loud. :D
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Allegedly my local range will let .300 mags inside. I’ve never seen one there, nor does shooting one indoors at a max of about 22 yards sound like much fun, but I guess it can be done.

I’ll take the 70 mile drive to the desert to exercise the big guns. :)

Stay safe.
 
I've just started shooting AR15s and mine came with an ASR muzzle brake. So maybe I'm now the guy that doesn't know how freakin' loud his gun is. I've bought an Omega 300 but that'll take 10 months to arrive; should I just remove the brake for now?
 
MrBitey said:
I've just started shooting AR15s and mine came with an ASR muzzle brake. So maybe I'm now the guy that doesn't know how freakin' loud his gun is. I've bought an Omega 300 but that'll take 10 months to arrive; should I just remove the brake for now?
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Are you shooting indoors and at a range as described? Since you have been made aware of the noise and blast issues, you could also make other arrangement at any range you go to, ask for an isolated spot, etc.
The management of Riomouse's range failed to make provisions for those issues, you can make them now.
 
Sorry you had a bad day there. I am fortunate that I have friends & relations that live where it is okay to shoot & they are generous enough to let me shoot in their back yards. Most of the places I use one couldn't zero a rifle at 100 yards but I mostly shoot handgun & I do have one friend that has a place I can zero a rifle.
 
PzGren said:
Are you shooting indoors and at a range as described? Since you have been made aware of the noise and blast issues, you could also make other arrangement at any range you go to, ask for an isolated spot, etc.
The management of Riomouse's range failed to make provisions for those issues, you can make them now.
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That's what I do. If I'm shooting a magnum revolver I tell the GBTC (Guy Behind The Counter) about it ask for a lane away from other people. Only one time did a new guy not get it and I had to explain why it was important. He wasn't working there the next time I went so I'm guessing the management noticed his lack of concern for the customers.

If I'm shooting a classic old standard velocity .22 auto I really don't want to be next to a .44 magnum shooting hunting loads. Where I shoot, the only rifles allowed are limited to pistol calibers so the situation Riomouse ran into isn't a problem.
 
After reading this report, I'll just say that I'm glad I live in a place where the need to shoot high power rifles indoors is so non-existent, I literally never knew this was something people did.

The extent of my experience with rifles indoors is winter smallbore leagues.

I can't fathom the desire to shoot an AR-15 at an indoor range measured in feet. Yikes.
 
Riomouse911 said:
Ya, made me wish I’d brought the .300 Weatherby.;)

Today was just a perfect storm I guess.

Oh well, stuff happens :)

Stay safe.
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Our local indoor range allows rifles of up to .338 Lapua, and I am surprised at how many locals seem to have such things - and the desire to shoot them indoors.

I bring my 4" ported .500 Magnum with me for just such occasions, even when I don't intend to shoot it. Full house loads with H110 tend to bring things to a crashing halt - though the last time I used it for the purpose, the guy next to me knew why I was doing it and gave as good as he got. By the time we ran out of ammo we were nearly ready for a fist fight, and the R.O. was laughing at both of us. Everyone else had left, which I guess means we are both terrible people.
 
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Riomouse911 said:
When one of our peers reports a less than great time shooting, we almost all say that a bad day at the range is better than a great day at work (or a variance of the sentiment ;)). 99 % of the time that’s probably true.

I finally had one of those 1% days where I literally got so fed up I poured the rounds I had set out into my backpack, tossed my targets back into the carrying tube and split after a few shots were fired.

I didn’t have a huge amount of time today, so two hours at the range would be my max before I had to leave. When I got there at 10 am it was empty. They had reopened all lanes for the first time in a year... but even 15 minutes after opening it was still deserted. ( I regularly shoot here and always earplug and ear muff because sometimes it can get loud inside when guys bring AR or AK rifles to shoot.)

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I got placed in lane 9 of 10, unpacked my stuff and fired 50 through the Glock 44 I picked up last week. One Aguila 36 gr hp didn’t fire, but did on the second go-round. 20 more of the Sterling Cross 40 gr LRN fired with no issues. Rounds were hitting where I wanted them, all was great :thumbup:.

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The S&W 4” Model 18-3 I shot next fired beautifully. The trigger pull was much improved after my work on the gun and 5 cylinders each of the Aguila and Sterling Cross rounds all fired without a hitch. This gun also was putting rounds right where I wanted them to go. :thumbup:

Then the wheels fell off.

The range put a couple of guys in lane 8, right next to me, which has never been an issue as I shoot indoors all the time. They fiddled about a bit then sent out a target to about ten yards. I didn’t pay much attention as I put away the 18-3, pulled out my S&W 48-4 (that also got resprung last week) and loaded a cylinder of Armscor 40 gr JHP .22 WMR rounds. I fired maybe one or two rounds... and the guy in the next lane touched off a shot that just about shook the teeth out of my mouth.

These guys were “sighting in” a 16” AR...indoors...with a lateral-port brake on the rifle...from about four feet to my left :what:.

After about three shots that made me literally wince after each one I glance past the barrier as the shooter was fiddling with the sights. I can literally see straight through the side ports on the muzzle of the rifle to the far wall. Great! :fire:

I emptied the cylinder and set the gun down, stepped back and asked the guy who was giving sighting-in instructions if they had a lateral port comp on that thing. (I’ll freely admit I didn’t sound too happy when I asked.) The guy said no with an irritated tone, which was total bs because I saw it. I said out loud it was rattling my teeth and went back to try and shoot the 48-4 and the three other S&W’s I’d brought to function check.

I lasted about one more cylinder, and three more shots from that gun, before I pulled my target in, packed up my crap and left. I left the range through the door, dropped my target holder on the desk, flipped my visa card down to pay for the $15.00 range fee and told the kid behind the counter that their comped rifle was too obnoxious to keep shooting around so I’m out. I’m enough of a regular that I could see he was surprised, so he charged my card and I turned to leave.

I saw three other guys that were signing the waiver and were getting ready to pay at the counter. I told the kid to put them on the far side of the range and said to the guys “Good luck today, shooting next to that comped rifle in there is just ridiculous.”

Went home, wiped my guns down, threw away about six targets that I ruined I’m my haste to leave and went about the day.

Sometimes... rarely...it is better going to the office than the range. This was one of those times. :thumbdown:

May you all have more fun this weekend behind your guns than I did today. :)

Stay safe.:thumbup:
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What? You mean you don't have a "range buster" just for obnoxious people? For shame!

I remember many years ago taking a lady friend to an outdoor range to teach her how to shoot. Just a handful of people out there, all shooting .22's when we arrived. I set everything up and soon had her happily plinking shotgun shells off a log with my .22 rifle, having a grand ole time.

Enter Billy Ray Joe Jim Bob with his magnum revolver at the table right next to us.

I think nothing of it as he sets up, loads his revolver, puts on a pair of Mickey Mouse ear muffs...then proceeds to blast his magnum as fast as he can pull the trigger. Takes his ear muffs off while reloading...then puts them back on and repeats. 'Cause who needs hearing protection when everybody else is shooting .22's, right?

Not hitting SQUAT, mind you.

My lady friend was jumping every time this nut pulled the trigger, obviously taking a lot of the pleasure out of shooting. I leaned down and told her to ignore the guy and concentrate on shooting...I'd take care of him.

I waited until he finished shooting again and had pulled his Mickey Mouse's off while he reloaded. Then I casually pulled a soda can out of my cooler and tossed it down range, pulled my AMT Automag II out of my holster, and blew the can wide open with my first shot, then followed up with eight more making the can dance.

This nut scrambled for his hearing protection then yelled "Is that the .30 carbine?!?"

"Nope. .22 Magnum. By the way, keep your hearing protection on while the range is hot."

He packed up and left a few minutes later.

I'm all about having fun at the range, even large caliber, rapid firing. But a little range manners goes a long way.

(I've always wanted a Wildey .475 Magnum, if only so I could take it to the range and have it handy for similar occasions.)
 
GONRA used same far right lane at local club.

When I shot my Barrett .50BMG semiauto,
always warned fellow shooters what I was shootin'
was super loud and generally limited 5 - 10 shots.

When shootin' my Suppressed Vector UZI (sounds like a woodpecker)
they sometimes thought I hadn't fired a shot
by the time I was packlng up leave....
 
champ0608 said:
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I can't fathom the desire to shoot an AR-15 at an indoor range measured in feet. Yikes.
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Shooting one inch group sizes offhand at 25 yards relates to four inch groups at 100 yards and, while that will win no match, is better practice than none.

I, on the other hand, cannot understand why people shoot bench rest.
 
I pay my dues at my indoor range and use the rifle lanes as i see fit. my 3 gun rifle has a decent brake, sorry-not-sorry. when someone else has a loud gun, i double up on my ear pro and continue what i was doing.
 
PzGren said:
Shooting one inch group sizes offhand at 25 yards relates to four inch groups at 100 yards and, while that will win no match, is better practice than none.

I, on the other hand, cannot understand why people shoot bench rest.
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If I shot 4 inch groups at 100 I would take up another hobby . Maybe because I understand Benchrest ?
 
PzGren said:
Shooting one inch group sizes offhand at 25 yards relates to four inch groups at 100 yards and, while that will win no match, is better practice than none.

I, on the other hand, cannot understand why people shoot bench rest.
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Dale Alan said:
If I shot 4 inch groups at 100 I would take up another hobby . Maybe because I understand Benchrest ?
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He who can read is also at an advantage.
 
NIGHTLORD40K said:
I'll admit to occasionally putting some hot loads in my .30 Blackhawk on purpose just to rattle my neighbors' teeth if they sonically assault me first
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Same here.
Several bays at a member range I frequent divide the bay's depth with an eco-block divider.
Usual courtesy is to loudly call out 'going hot' to your neighbor when you're set up and commence firing.

One very warm day I found myself next to a group with no such inclination.
After several times of them starting up (with 10 minute gaps between) with no call out, I'd had enough.
Hearing them carrying on a conversation, I fired a round from my Casull .454.
Lots of hollering 'hold up!' to which I replied 'A little courtesy in this shared bay goes a long way - Going hot!'.

Seems there are folks that just have common courtesy and those who have to learn it.

JT
 
The County operated out doors range I shoot on in winter has positions close enough that muzzle blast can be an annoyance to adjacent shooters. But then again on occasion I’m the one creating the muzzle blast. All part of the drill I figure.
Furthermore the positions don’t have permanent screens but hanging screens that have to be moved about as needed and not enough of them. Flying brass can be an issue on occasion. In that respect I’m rarely the culprit as I preferred revolvers. :)
 
PzGren said:
Shooting one inch group sizes offhand at 25 yards relates to four inch groups at 100 yards and, while that will win no match, is better practice than none.

I, on the other hand, cannot understand why people shoot bench rest.
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Because shooting is fun, for one.

For another, some hunters actually shoot that way, too. To don't thing people taking those prairie dog or elk shots over a hundred yards are doing so off hand, do you?

Not to mention just sighting in their gun or simply learning.

;)
 
8" to 14" ARs are common in Canada though ARs have just been banned.

In outdoor CQB matches you can feel the blast waves from the shooter beside you. I run ear plugs and a big set of muffs on top.
 
My father was a member of a very upper crusty gun club. I went with him one day to test some newly purchased guns for my military gun collection one was a hakim. After 1 magazine The range officer told me not to bring that gun again ! I did not realize how obnoxious some guns can be.I told the other people that were there i was sorry .I had never fired it before and did not know how obnoxious it sounded. Lesson learned!
 
Riomouse911 said:
When one of our peers reports a less than great time shooting, we almost all say that a bad day at the range is better than a great day at work (or a variance of the sentiment ;)). 99 % of the time that’s probably true.

I finally had one of those 1% days where I literally got so fed up I poured the rounds I had set out into my backpack, tossed my targets back into the carrying tube and split after a few shots were fired.

I didn’t have a huge amount of time today, so two hours at the range would be my max before I had to leave. When I got there at 10 am it was empty. They had reopened all lanes for the first time in a year... but even 15 minutes after opening it was still deserted. ( I regularly shoot here and always earplug and ear muff because sometimes it can get loud inside when guys bring AR or AK rifles to shoot.)

View attachment 1010524

I got placed in lane 9 of 10, unpacked my stuff and fired 50 through the Glock 44 I picked up last week. One Aguila 36 gr hp didn’t fire, but did on the second go-round. 20 more of the Sterling Cross 40 gr LRN fired with no issues. Rounds were hitting where I wanted them, all was great :thumbup:.

View attachment 1010525

The S&W 4” Model 18-3 I shot next fired beautifully. The trigger pull was much improved after my work on the gun and 5 cylinders each of the Aguila and Sterling Cross rounds all fired without a hitch. This gun also was putting rounds right where I wanted them to go. :thumbup:

Then the wheels fell off.

The range put a couple of guys in lane 8, right next to me, which has never been an issue as I shoot indoors all the time. They fiddled about a bit then sent out a target to about ten yards. I didn’t pay much attention as I put away the 18-3, pulled out my S&W 48-4 (that also got resprung last week) and loaded a cylinder of Armscor 40 gr JHP .22 WMR rounds. I fired maybe one or two rounds... and the guy in the next lane touched off a shot that just about shook the teeth out of my mouth.

These guys were “sighting in” a 16” AR...indoors...with a lateral-port brake on the rifle...from about four feet to my left :what:.

After about three shots that made me literally wince after each one I glance past the barrier as the shooter was fiddling with the sights. I can literally see straight through the side ports on the muzzle of the rifle to the far wall. Great! :fire:

I emptied the cylinder and set the gun down, stepped back and asked the guy who was giving sighting-in instructions if they had a lateral port comp on that thing. (I’ll freely admit I didn’t sound too happy when I asked.) The guy said no with an irritated tone, which was total bs because I saw it. I said out loud it was rattling my teeth and went back to try and shoot the 48-4 and the three other S&W’s I’d brought to function check.

I lasted about one more cylinder, and three more shots from that gun, before I pulled my target in, packed up my crap and left. I left the range through the door, dropped my target holder on the desk, flipped my visa card down to pay for the $15.00 range fee and told the kid behind the counter that their comped rifle was too obnoxious to keep shooting around so I’m out. I’m enough of a regular that I could see he was surprised, so he charged my card and I turned to leave.

I saw three other guys that were signing the waiver and were getting ready to pay at the counter. I told the kid to put them on the far side of the range and said to the guys “Good luck today, shooting next to that comped rifle in there is just ridiculous.”

Went home, wiped my guns down, threw away about six targets that I ruined I’m my haste to leave and went about the day.

Sometimes... rarely...it is better going to the office than the range. This was one of those times. :thumbdown:

May you all have more fun this weekend behind your guns than I did today. :)

Stay safe.:thumbup:
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How can shooting chopped ARs, in a room with a bunch of other guys shooting chopped ARs, even be a real hobby? People are strange
 
I have my own range which is nice, but my backstop ridge limits me to a 100 yards. If I want to shoot farther I go to one of the free State ranges. No Range Masters your on your own to follow the posted rules. Police up your own brass and shot targets. You get some slobs sure, but the ranges are large enough to move away or just wait them out. Indoor controlled ranges? Forget it! My Friend and LEO Partner asked me to coach his Daughter in handgun shooting as she was studying to be a LEO.. We went to an indoor range ($30.00 an hour and you had to buy your targets and ammunition there.) I started this young lady off with a TX22 because it resembles a Glock 19 in operation.. She was doing fine when a "Red Shirt" decided to come over and give his unwanted advice. After totally screwing up what I had taught her on sight alignment and trigger control, I told him I was instructing her so how about backing off? He started to get all puffy about what a pro he was and my Friend stepped in and told him I was a Federal Firearm Instructor and he would appreciate his leaving us alone. He got red faced and left but came back when we had 10 minutes left on our hour and said it was time to pack up. I ignored him and had the young lady finish her shooting with a Glock 17. We left then but it was not a pleasant experience and I haven't been back to any controlled range since.
 
Terry G said:
I have my own range which is nice, but my backstop ridge limits me to a 100 yards. If I want to shoot farther I go to one of the free State ranges. No Range Masters your on your own to follow the posted rules. Police up your own brass and shot targets. You get some slobs sure, but the ranges are large enough to move away or just wait them out. Indoor controlled ranges? Forget it! My Friend and LEO Partner asked me to coach his Daughter in handgun shooting as she was studying to be a LEO.. We went to an indoor range ($30.00 an hour and you had to buy your targets and ammunition there.) I started this young lady off with a TX22 because it resembles a Glock 19 in operation.. She was doing fine when a "Red Shirt" decided to come over and give his unwanted advice. After totally screwing up what I had taught her on sight alignment and trigger control, I told him I was instructing her so how about backing off? He started to get all puffy about what a pro he was and my Friend stepped in and told him I was a Federal Firearm Instructor and he would appreciate his leaving us alone. He got red faced and left but came back when we had 10 minutes left on our hour and said it was time to pack up. I ignored him and had the young lady finish her shooting with a Glock 17. We left then but it was not a pleasant experience and I haven't been back to any controlled range since.
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Non-LEO who OC seem like they tend to have emo issues. And that includes range and gun shop workers.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Because shooting is fun, for one.

For another, some hunters actually shoot that way, too. To don't thing people taking those prairie dog or elk shots over a hundred yards are doing so off hand, do you?

Not to mention just sighting in their gun or simply learning.

;)
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Shooting off a bench has its advantages. As you mentioned, when sighting a rifle in, on long shots when hunting, especially at unknown distances, to eliminate shooter error.

As someone who has participated in military matches for a while, I still think that the personal skill level and basic rifle craft will need to be brushed up frequently and increasingly so with age. Great shooters like Colonel Cooper are slowly dying out and are replaced with overweight bench rest shooters that lack discipline and interest in marksmanship.

I am not one of those and work hard on it not to become one - and it is no longer getting harder every decade but now every year.
 
PzGren said:
I, on the other hand, cannot understand why people shoot bench rest.
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Yup. Nearly all of my rifle shooting is practical - hunting, mostly. Don’t see any benches in the swamps and even if there were, no one is convincing any critter to walk in front of it and stop. Practice from a bench is wasted ammo for me. YMMV.
 
Reading threads like this remind me how lucky I am to have my own place to shoot.
People can be jerks, some of them didn't have the upbringing to even know they are being rude.
 
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