I get the jitters when I visit the range now...

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Edjumakayshun is not needed here. If you are so stupid that you will point a firearm at someone while continuously pulling the trigger then you must be banned. How stupid can you be?

Thank God your gonads are intact. You might have become a soprano and I am not referring to a fictional crime family.

Folks, the monumental stupidity of this act is so heinous it borders on the need for a psychiatric evaluation. Your right to shoot ends when you are trying your darndest, albeit mindlessly, to cause me great physical harm. Granma could have made life very unpleasant.

Allowing this woman to shoot at the range would scare the hell out of me. Now you know why I hate doing RSO duty. I cannot begin to regale you with all the unique and wonderous experiences I have had as a range safety officer. Suffice it to say that Granny would be told in very polite terms that she could come back when cows fly and chickens grow teeth!

You just can't make this stuff up! :D
 
I was at an indoor range (not going to name it, they are very good at dealing with deadwood) that was open to the public and I was shooting at the 25 yard targets and during a reload, I hear the shooter in the next lane banging away and then I hear a Brrt and then "Whoa" then I have a shower of dust and wood slivers and other assorted debris coming from my right and I am going over backwards, having just reloaded my pistol and wound up on my stomach with my pistol pointed downrange and trying to short circuit the response to fire back :cuss: Some one did say that I shouted at the guy, to drop his weapon and show me his hands, I don't know, I just reacted.

He had tinkered with the trigger on his 1911 :scrutiny: and what with sloppy cleaning/maintenance practices it was starting to tripple and then he had turned sideways to consult with his buddy and (in his words) inadvertantly bumped the trigger and sent 4 rounds into the barrier and into my lane, based upon the line of holes and where I was standing I was extremely lucky.

I am all for giving people second chances, but not when thier actions imperil my life, sorry, but that is the way I feel.
 
It's probably common knowledge, but the groin is a bad place to be injured. Yea yea there's the 'sensitive equipment', but more seriously there is a major junction for veins and arteries. Lose 2 litres and you have 1 hour to live, 170-pound man loses 8 pints (~4 litres) and the jig is up. 130-pound woman can die from losing 6 pints. Damage to a major blood vessel and you can lose this much blood +-1 minute. Your heart stops, CPR will just pump more blood out of you, your brain is dieing by the second, how do you apply a tourniquet to the abdomen?


"The phrase "adjudicated mentally defective" does not appear in the 2nd Amendment."

I'm a foreigner, but doesn't the phrase 'well regulated' appear? Maybe well regulated is the responsibility, and bear arms is the right?
 
False argument

"The phrase 'adjudicated mentally defective' does not appear in the 2nd Amendment."

This legal luminary would have us believe that that psychotics, the mentally retarded (or whatever the PC term is these days), alcoholics and other "chemically dependant" individuals should have free access to firearms merely because James Madison did not insult our intelligence by stating the obvious.

A court proceeding to determine if ONE specific individual is incapable of managing his/her affairs competently is NOT debarring the use of arms to the citizenry. Claims to the contrary are equivalent to stating that pulling the driver's license of a convicted drunk somehow impugns the right to travel and that libel laws are a threat to the First Amendment.

Shall we take up a collection and buy him a clue?
 
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Big difference is that the shooter was not pointing his firearm directly at a person whilst pulling the trigger. Granny was trying to perform a circumcision.
Apples and oranges and it does not justify the second shooter letting rounds go down range.

The second shooter knew he made a mistake. Granny did not.
 
I no longer go to the indoor shooting range in my area. I've seen to many people that don't know what their doing there. Also the range has had 2 or 3 suicides there. I've always wondered what would happen if one of these nuts decided to take everyone with him. I belong to a private range now that is outside with plenty of room but I still don't like being around alot of people. Most of the time when I go to the range there is hardly anyone there (fine with me). Also 2nd Amendment or not I believe some people shouldn't have guns, because their not capable of handling them safely. Some people are an accident waiting to happen and I hope I'm not there when it does.
 
Sorry about the bump from the grave...

But I was talking with one of the range guys the other day. He said my most favoritest person in the whole wide world had stopped in. She came in and browsed around the shop and quickly left. He said she never once inquired about a rental. I guess she feels unwelcome; tough luck. :fire:

Stay safe guys, there are friggin' legions of idiots out there, more than one has your name on he/she/it...
 
Wow, that is one crazy story. The worst experiences I have had involved people firing while I was down range. That happened at a public range that has since been cleaned up and now has a fulltime DNR officer on site.

Nowadays I go shooting as early in the morning as possible to avoid as many people as I can.
 
I will no longer frequent a popular local range because of a similar experience. The range in question is known for letting pretty much anybody rent and shoot without even a second glance (they don't even ask for I.D.).

I was shooting one day, and I was aware that the guy in the lane next to me was cursing about something to someone on a cellphone. He had been shooting until a few seconds before. Turns out his gun (an HK USP, of all things) had a round jammed in the chamber, and he was on the phone to his friend, who it seems was trying to coach him on how to clear it. Whatever.

I turned around to grab another target off the bench, and when I looked up, the guy had his phone stuck between left shoulder and ear, and finger on trigger was repeatledly trying to get the slide to rack. The muzzle was waving at about a 2-foot radius, most of which was aimed at my knees and legs. I yelled, "HEY," and he waved me off with annoyance, as if I were interrupting his conversation.

I stepped forward into my lane and switched the lights on and off to alert the rangemaster (good luck). I figured it was time to leave, but getting out of my lane meant walking right through this guy's sight picture, and he was still fighting with the gun. Finally, I just gave up, stuck my head out and yelled, "hey" again. The guy stopped and said , "what?"

"You need to take your finger off the trigger and point that somewhere else. Right. Now."

"Fudge you, I'm busy here."

"You're placing me in danger. And I have a gun here on the bench that works."

"Brashole."

He didn't change his dubious procedure, he just turned around the other way and continued. I went outside to talk to the manager, and his response was, "well, you signed the [waiver] form, so we're not responsible." Technically correct, but... :what:

The manager never even bothered to make eye contact with me, and he never went back to check things out. Needless to say, I was glad to get out of there intact, and I won't be going back. As far as the idiot on the range, I figure life has a way of taking care of things like that in time. Just glad it didn't have to be me. I could see the headlines..."Crazed gunmen engage in shootout at local range." Since I had four guns and about 600 rounds of ammo with me, I'm sure the word "arsenal" would have been used, too.
 
I used to work as a range officer at a commercial indoor range.

Screaming at people is worthless. It makes them panic, which is not what you want. You have someone pointing the gun in the wrong direction, finger on trigger, the last thing you want to do is make them jump. The last thing you want to do is rattle them. If I saw something I didn't like, the best thing to do is walk over, and calmly ask them to put the gun down, then take them off the range for a chat.

Yelling at the top of your lungs works for bootcamp, where the DI has a captive audience. Screaming at a woman ensures that the only lesson she learns is "Don't Come Back!" Heck, screaming at a guy is going to cause a confrontation, and teach the lesson that he isn't welcome. Neither one of those outcomes is going to teach the individual to be safer. An angry emotional approach only guarantees that the target isn't going to learn anything. Good Going, Einstein.

I would give the four rules speech. Explain that if they had a problem, didn't know what to do, etc., they should bench the gun and come get me. I would give them a rundown of the classes we offered, andd go babysit them on the range until I was comfortable. This whole conversation is interspersed with questions, to keep their attention, not to mention the Socratic Method kicks butt.

The range was in an urban area, so almost every new customer had very little experience. I have the advantage of being introduced to guns in elementary school. I had the advantage of my father sending me to junior marksmanship, dragging me to highpowermatches, and smacking me in the head everytime I did something stupid. They didn't. Their dad didn't teach them the rules. It's not fair to them to be abusive, and destructive to the cause to alienate these people.

The calm approach to discussing what they did wrong accomplishes several things:

1) It doesn't alienate the customer
2) It's a great opportunity to cross sell
3) It increases the likleyhood that the person will learn the lesson you are trying to teach.
4) It's likely to build customer loyalty. We were the most expensive shop in town, but many of our customers prefferred to buy through us.

Now, if we had a particulary dangerous individual, that wasn't getting any better, first they were banned from shooting until they had completed one of our safety classes. If they were still dangerous, we would ban them forever.

As far as the staff rolling their eyes at her very mention, that doesn't mean that she is habitually dangerous. It could just mean that she is a pain in the rear. We had many, many customers that would cause us to roll our eyes, but they weren't dangerous.
 
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being banned for a rookie mistake is great for esteem too.
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She was not a rookie if she had been there before, at least not enough of one to matter. This is also not a rookie mistake, not even close. Even rookies are not allowed to intentionally point guns at people.
 
:eek: Holy sh**!! I'm surprised you didn't knock her stupid as* to the ground after grabbing the gun. Certainly would have been justified.
 
The Hogue range is where they do IDPA once a month. Ian is the rangemaster for that and the SLOSA range next door. Ian runs a tight ship but he's a real gentleman. There's also a Cowboy Action range, but I've never been to that one.
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Yeah, Ian's a great guy-extremely friendly and helpful. We had some problems with our FN-49 and didn't know much about the gun, and he was a giant help in fixing it.

Back to the topic, I'm not sure what side to lean on, banning or educating her. On the one hand, learning to shoot is a great thing, on the other, SHE WAS PULLING THE FREAKIN' TRIGGER! I can't BELIEVE that!!!
 
Imagine someone walking up to you and pressing the blade of a plugged-in circular saw against your jugular while flicking the start switch and complaining that "the blade isn't cutting".

Rookie mistake my a**.



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