Sexist Gunshops ...-

[capt_happypants]

Most of these incidents can be avoided if the clerks...

1. Ask questions
2. Don't assume anything.

I tend to go the other way with female customers - I figure that if they're in the shop, they're shooters, and they'll know what they want.

As to clerks pushing lightweight J-Frames towards females, my job isn't to sell the gun that *I* think is right for a woman - it's to sell what she wants. If she wants her first handgun to be a Kimber Custom II, I'll suggest a book or a video that covers field stripping (heck, I'm a guy, and I haven't the faintest clue how to field-strip a 1911).

Why I don't have attractive, single, female customers with a yen for black rifles and Sig Sauer pistols for customers at Blast-O-Rama is beyond me.

 

[dustind]

Or libertarian beret wearing latte sippers.

Where did you get that? What Libertarian drinks latte or wears a beret? I thought that was communists?

 

[Raistlin]

Where did you get that? What Libertarian drinks latte or wears a beret? I thought that was communists?

Wait a minute - I like a good latte (and I'm no commie)!

 

[Dr.Rob]

Seen this far more often than I'd care to admit. Sadly, chauvanistic attitudes and knuckle dragging still occur.

Guns are still a male dominated hobby/sport. The few attempts to attract female buyers (pink Witness pistol anyone?) have been sort of.. laughable or downright gruesome (Colt ad with prowler menacing in window...).

I don't blame all gun owners/shop keepers etc. Not afraid to take my business to a place with better customer service.

 

[duck hunt]

For the record

A group of us went shooting at Blue Ridge Arsenal in Chantilly Virginia a couple of months back. Our group included about five women and maybe eight guys. We were treated equally, all given excellent service and assistance and -- here's where you separate the men from the he-man woman haters -- the place had the nicest ladies' room I've ever seen anywhere, much less a range. Little baskets of complimentary products like a hotel! Clean and well-stocked! Details like that really mean a lot as far as customer service. It's something that seems to be lost on many retailers these days. Bravo to Blue Ridge Arsenal.

 

[Ed Ely]

All you she-male protectors

who get PO'ed when the ladies do not get first attention or
no attention. My question now, after reading all the posts,
"What the he*l would you do if the behind the counter sales
person completely ignored you from the first step into his
place and came on to the female who is accompanying you,
and started to jawing with her in gun talk lingo and completely
left you out of the picture"?

I bet one thing, you would want to go after that dude because
the male harmones would be about to drive you to fits about
this time. Could it be that the sales counter person is just really
being a she-male protector himself? By his directing gun talk
to the accompanying male, he is tyring not to embrass the fairer
sex of any ignorance on the subject. Taking on the role of the
devil's advocate again, yea!

Ed

 

[pax]

"What the he*l would you do if the behind the counter sales
person completely ignored you from the first step into his
place and came on to the female who is accompanying you,
and started to jawing with her in gun talk lingo and completely
left you out of the picture"?

Any man who is secure in his manhood wouldn't have a problem with that.

The measure of a man is not how insanely jealous he becomes during an ordinary social interaction. That's ugly and unhealthy.

She ain't your property, man.

pax

 

[Barbara]

I'm trying to figure out what exactly a she-male is.

 

[Ed Ely]

during an ordinary social interaction. That's ugly and unhealthy.

pax, if it is not ugly and not unhealthy for the majority of the
posters on this thread to voice a concern about the fairer sex being
completely ignored in the gun shops, then would that not be an
ordinary social interaction. If that be the case, why are most of
the posters gripping in the first place. Is that not ugly and
unhealthy also?

Edited for Barbara -

I'm trying to figure out what exactly a she-male is.

It is not an offensive term, please do not read anything into it. My
wording for a very nice, good loooooking, attractive FEMALE, that's
all.

 

[pax]

Ed,

I can't navigate your tortured grammar well enough to figure out what you're asking. Want to try it again?

pax

 

[Barbara]

Ok. What are we cranky, middle aged, chubby women called? I like "woman" myself, but that's just me.

 

[Ed Ely]

Sorry pax, that is the best I can do with a second grade
education.

 

[pax]

Um, I wasn't trying to be rude. I was simply trying to figure out what you were trying to say so that we could have a discussion.

pax

 

[Ed Ely]

pax, I did not take it as being rude. For the record, before someone
jumps in and accuses me of saying that you are the one with the
second grade education, nope that is me.

Barbara, you are a WOMAN. MRCC

Looks like I am hijacking this thread, that I will not do. Bye.

 

[Geech]

Any man who is secure in his manhood wouldn't have a problem with that.

I never like being completely ignored when I'm with someone else, regardless of sex. If I really felt that a female companion was getting more than her fair share of attention, I might indeed feel frustrated... but as a person, not an "insecure" man.

 

[Strings]

speaking as a man married to a very beautiful shooting woman...

I have to say that my wife HAS recieved what some might term "more attention than is warranted". And it never caused any undo feelings of jealousy in me: quite the contrary, I usually laugh to myself. Of course, that's just me...

 

[CB900F]

Barbara;

Please, just what is the MRCC? I presume it's the Michigan something-or-other, but what? I'm in Montana & that starts with an M also, and gee, I'm Male too. Uh-oh, if I didn't have this minuteman in my backyard with 10 nuke warheads, all live by the way, I could get paranoid!

You think I'm kidding about the ICBM? Don't worry though, they don't let me play with it very often.

900F

 

[Barbara]

It's a long sad story that has a lot to do with union corruption and my state gun rights organization (which for good or bad, I am currently a director of) and very little to do with men in general.

I'm sometimes a little cranky about men, too, but these two things are not related.

P.S. The "Screwing with the brotherhood" thing is based on a quotation from one of them (my now fellow director) saying that people should know better than to screw with the brotherhood.

 

[Moparmike]

What the he*l would you do if the behind the counter sales
person completely ignored you from the first step into his
place and came on to the female who is accompanying you,
and started to jawing with her in gun talk lingo and completely
left you out of the picture"?

Well, I wouldnt punch him, unless he started making untoward advances and/or touching her in an unprofessional manner.* I like to think that chivalry isnt completely dead, its just in the ICU and fading fast.

I would however start looking around at what I came in for, casually interupting to get the opinion of "she who wears the pants in the family" on something of interest, trying to get his attention focused on us as a pair of customers, not her as a love interest. It really depends upon the situation at the moment. I havent had any experience with men hitting on my gf, so I cant really accurately say what I would do.


*An example of a professional manner of touching her would be like fitting for gloves or something. He holds his hand up, asks her to press hers against his (sizing up her hand in comparison), and more accurately determines the size of the glove she needs.