I have a problem (small kids & guns)

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My is 3 year son and he love guns. We will in the back yard and he can spend all afternoon shooting the bad guys, ones that come over the fence or are walking on the roof of the house. He loves it.

A couple of months ago I took him with me to Sportsman Wharehouse to look for a gun for my neighbor. Saleman was showing me a 9MM. When I went to hand the gun back to the sales person, my son went crazy, he starting crying "need that, need that" and was trying to climb out of the shopping cart to get it before the saleman put it back on the rack.

Any gun that he sees whether a toy or real he wants to pick up, he even tried to take a LEO guns recently.

Now my questions, I am considering taking him shooting and letting him see what a real gun can do to an orange, water jug or watermelon. My fear is that he might getting really freaked out and develope an unhealthy fear.

Does anyone have any suggestions?
 
OK, I have no children, so take my advice with a grain of salt, but at three years old he is too young to comprehend anything in an intelectual fashion. You will likely either scare him, or make him fascinated for reasons he will not understand. I would wait about three years when you can reason with the boy, and let him understand the responsibility that goes with handling a firearm.
Mauserguy
 
edit.....

i retract...didn't pay attention enough to read that he was 3. i agree with Mauserguy and robert...my fault.
 
He's three

let him be with you while you strip and clean your weapons,
when he knows the parts,the action types, and can comprehend
safety,function,duty,responsibility;get him whatever he and you
feel appropriate.
For now he should be learnin "NO" AND "Don't Touch"
Do Not take him out and Impress Him with the bang stick
and exploding goodies,fears hang around a very long time.
best wishes for you both
 
Slow down you have plenty of time.

I've dealt with it with two sons, now is not the time.
 
Three is old enough to learn the Eddie Eagle rules:

If you see a gun, STOP.

Don't touch it!

Leave the area.

Tell an adult.


***

When you have him chant those rules with you, discuss them. When he's got a vague and hazy idea of what the rules are, then you can ask him this very important question:

"Do you know what to do if you really, really, REALLY want to touch the gun?"

He may or may not be able to tell you, so you tell him the rules again. Tell him that no matter what he must not touch the gun. But...

Then teach him one more, very important, rule: "If I really, really, REALLY want to touch the gun, I will leave the room and ask an adult if I can!"

Okay, that's the brain game. Now for the rest of it.

In order to get him to the point where there's a better-than-even chance he'll obey those rules when you aren't looking, you want to demystify guns. You do not need to go to the range for this. What you need is

1) an unloaded gun, and
2) a absolutely safe direction, and
3) a patient, calm demeanor.

What you are going to do is teach your son that anytime he wants to hold a gun, you will drop whatever else you are doing and stand over him while he holds the unloaded gun pointed in a safe direction. You are doing this so that his curiousity doesn't kill him sometime when you are not around, and you are doing it so that "leave the room and tell an adult" will never mean the end of fun to him. You are doing that so that "tell an adult" is to him a promise that the adult will satisfy his curiousity and let other good things happen too.

(And for goodness' sake! If he ever does come and tell you about it, give him a candy bar or take him to the playground or do whatever it is that you would do to show him that you are really, really pleased with him. Don't react with panic ... react with pride and let him see how pleased & proud you are!)

So you take your gun. You check to be sure it's unloaded. You check again, and then check one more time. Then you lock the slide back and hold the gun in front of your child's hands, pointed in a safe direction. You show him where the bullets would be if there were any bullets in it. You explain that this gun right now isn't loaded, and that if it were loaded it would be very, very dangerous.

He will not absorb all this or even most of it. You tell him anyway.

More important, you let him see that you never ever ever ever ever point the gun anywhere except the safe direction -- and that you checked three times to make sure it was unloaded -- and that you had him check to see it was unloaded.

You tell him that the gun has to stay pointed that direction, and only that direction.

Then comes the scary part: you hand him the gun.

Hover. Hover and be ready to grab if the gun waves anywhere else.

Answer his questions. Let him poke buttons and try to pull the trigger if he wants.

Hover. Don't let your attention wander. Don't let him turn the gun around. Keep your hands right there and ready to control if you need to.

After about two minutes, he'll be bored because face it, there's nothing exciting about safely holding an unloaded weapon pointing at nothing much, even if you've never done it before. Wait until he is bored, and says so; you want him to end this exploration. When he gives the gun back, tell him you'll let him hold the gun anytime he asks, but what are the rules if he just finds a gun?

Stop.

Don't touch!

Leave the area.

Tell an adult.

And if he really, really, really wants to touch ... leave the area and ASK an adult.


He'll probably ask to hold your gun about every hour for a day, then once or twice a day for a week, and then every once in awhile for a long time. It is worth it to drop whatever you are doing and let him. You are reassuring him that telling an adult is a worthwhile thing to do -- and showing him that holding a gun and poking at it really isn't that exciting.

pax
mom to five very active boys
 
He might think the exploding stuff is cool....could be bad.I have always made a point of cleaning them in front of the kids,and slapping any fingers that did not first ask if they could touch.Seem to have worked.I started my son on a pellet gun at 6,probably will do the same with my little girl.
 
No I have no kids so take with a grain of salt...but I was a kid once lol.

I'd say thats maybe a tad young. Id say right now you are better off teaching him NOT to touch guns and even taking away any toy guns if he goes after any gun he see's with avengence. I'd hold off on that but if thats what it takes its better to take away his toy guns then let him think all guns are toys and go after them, one day he just might get his hands on one long enough to pop off a round. We can all try as hard as we can to keep it from happening but the sad truth it sometimes it happens. So first and foremost Id get him relizing the difference between a real gun and a toy gun and if you have to even take away all guns including toys from where he can get them. I personaly always found it to be a bit confusing for a young child to give them a toy gun and expect them to knwo the difference even if told a million times.

Then after that is done when he is about five Id get him a BB gun and a little later a pellet, of get one that can use both and just start him with BB get teh basics and then try pellets. From there when he is six or seven I'd step up to a .22.

But first get him to either be able to tell the difference between toy guns and real guns or just get him away from any guns, toys included and jsut teach him no gun is a toy and that they are not to be touched without asking. From there step him up to a bb/pellet gun around five would be my reccomendation.
 
pax said:
Three is old enough to learn the Eddie Eagle rules:

If you see a gun, STOP.

Don't touch it!

Leave the area.

Tell an adult.


***

When you have him chant those rules with you, discuss them. When he's got a vague and hazy idea of what the rules are, then you can ask him this very important question:

"Do you know what to do if you really, really, REALLY want to touch the gun?"

He may or may not be able to tell you, so you tell him the rules again. Tell him that no matter what he must not touch the gun. But...

Then teach him one more, very important, rule: "If I really, really, REALLY want to touch the gun, I will leave the room and ask an adult if I can!"

Okay, that's the brain game. Now for the rest of it.

In order to get him to the point where there's a better-than-even chance he'll obey those rules when you aren't looking, you want to demystify guns. You do not need to go to the range for this. What you need is

1) an unloaded gun, and
2) a absolutely safe direction, and
3) a patient, calm demeanor.

What you are going to do is teach your son that anytime he wants to hold a gun, you will drop whatever else you are doing and stand over him while he holds the unloaded gun pointed in a safe direction. You are doing this so that his curiousity doesn't kill him sometime when you are not around, and you are doing it so that "leave the room and tell an adult" will never mean the end of fun to him. You are doing that so that "tell an adult" is to him a promise that the adult will satisfy his curiousity and let other good things happen too.

(And for goodness' sake! If he ever does come and tell you about it, give him a candy bar or take him to the playground or do whatever it is that you would do to show him that you are really, really pleased with him. Don't react with panic ... react with pride and let him see how pleased & proud you are!)

So you take your gun. You check to be sure it's unloaded. You check again, and then check one more time. Then you lock the slide back and hold the gun in front of your child's hands, pointed in a safe direction. You show him where the bullets would be if there were any bullets in it. You explain that this gun right now isn't loaded, and that if it were loaded it would be very, very dangerous.

He will not absorb all this or even most of it. You tell him anyway.

More important, you let him see that you never ever ever ever ever point the gun anywhere except the safe direction -- and that you checked three times to make sure it was unloaded -- and that you had him check to see it was unloaded.

You tell him that the gun has to stay pointed that direction, and only that direction.

Then comes the scary part: you hand him the gun.

Hover. Hover and be ready to grab if the gun waves anywhere else.

Answer his questions. Let him poke buttons and try to pull the trigger if he wants.

Hover. Don't let your attention wander. Don't let him turn the gun around. Keep your hands right there and ready to control if you need to.

After about two minutes, he'll be bored because face it, there's nothing exciting about safely holding an unloaded weapon pointing at nothing much, even if you've never done it before. Wait until he is bored, and says so; you want him to end this exploration. When he gives the gun back, tell him you'll let him hold the gun anytime he asks, but what are the rules if he just finds a gun?

Stop.

Don't touch!

Leave the area.

Tell an adult.

And if he really, really, really wants to touch ... leave the area and ASK an adult.


He'll probably ask to hold your gun about every hour for a day, then once or twice a day for a week, and then every once in awhile for a long time. It is worth it to drop whatever you are doing and let him. You are reassuring him that telling an adult is a worthwhile thing to do -- and showing him that holding a gun and poking at it really isn't that exciting.

pax
mom to five very active boys

AMEN! AMEN, A THOUSAND TIMES OVER!!

I did almost the exact same thing as described with my son and daughter. The daughter lost interest.

My son has thanked me twice for my teaching. Once verbally--when he graduated Boot Camp and told me that the Marines taught shooting exactly the way I taught him. Made expert.

The second time was kind of subdued, when he got back from Fallujah and he casually mentioned that the gunfighting tricks I showed him really worked too.:eek: :(

(But, at least he was able to tell me in person!:) )
 
I think that Eddie Eagle, along with a day at the range sometime (with proper hearing protection!), would be in order.

Can you still buy those suction dart guns? Nerf guns? Cool space guns? Supersoakers? I think he needs something like that.

May just be a prodigy. Start him on safety, but at the same time, take the mystery away. Could be he just wants what Daddy wants. Mine!
 
At three my kids knew the different between "their" guns and "other" guns. You never touched "other" guns, only "their" guns. I waited until they are about seven or eight to let them handle "other" guns. I did let them watch me shoot when they was younger, but we was always talking about how dangerous "other" guns were and how kids should never touch them.

I agree with most of the others, wait. You have time to teach him when he is a little older and can keep focused on what he is doing. For now just make sure he learns never to touch like Pax was saying.
 
My three and a 1/2 YO daughter exhibited some of that same behavior about 9 mos. ago. Since then, I have sat her at the table every time I clean my guns...she now has no interest. She says they stink too much! :)

I have also taken her out in the woods with me, and with both of us wearing muffs fired a .45 and a .22LR at apples. We discussed how the gun works, and what the bullets do when they leave the barrel. She now will not touch a gun unless I hold it, and she refuses to touch the trigger or trigger guard.

Shes young, so I don't know how much has sunk in, and keep the weapons and the ammo in seperate safes, but I'm trying to teach her...
 
For starters you can close the circuit between his arse and brain when he acts out like that.
A firm swat oughta do it.;)

Then when he's calmed down you can do the Eddie Eagle thing with him.
 
I agree wholeheartedly with PAX on teaching your son not to touch "real" guns when he is alone. And also, by letting him hold your guns while being supervised, it will start instilling some basic safety rules in him. And possibly demystifying some of the allure of real guns.
Just be sure he has some toys guns of his own to play with.
But at only 3 years old, there is not much to be learned by taking him to the range. Most kids that young are far to rambunctious to have at the range. They must be watched every second. That means you have to either have someone else there to watch your son, or someone to watch the gun. And chances are that even if he is not freaked out be gunfire, his attention span of a normal 3 year old will not allow for much. Either way, the whole point of having him at the range is missed. I would save the range for when he is a bit older then have fun with your newest shooting buddy!:neener:
 
I admit, I have no children, but if I did, I would say Pax would make the perfect nanny. :D

Honestly, Pax's approach is where I would go with it.
 
I do not know how to put this other than to say it, but I mean absolutely no offense by it, it boils down to a matter of discipline.

I recently attended a gun show in Indianapolis with my brother and my four nephews (7 and under). At no time did any of the little ones touch any guns without Matt's permission. At no time did any of them whine or cry.

They all know not to touch because it is "Daddy's" and anything that is Dad's is forbidden unless he is there. My brother lives in the country (along the Blue River in Eastern Indiana, where the "Bears of Blue River" was set) and keeps loaded firearms about for castle defense and for shooting feral critters. Recently he had to wipe out a wild dog pack with his M1A.

The boys are all familiar with guns. All the family has them, there is no mystery or magic about them. The lessons they learn at their mother's knee translate well to guns--listen, no means no, pain is bad.

As a childless bachelor, I do not know how exactly this discipline was instilled, but once it is, the internal controls will keep them safe.:)
 
El T ~

It's true that you can't teach them a whole lot else until you teach them to obey.

pax

Deep thinkers who look everywhere for the mysterious causes of poverty, ignorance, crime and war need look no further than their own mirrors. We are all born into this world poor and ignorant, and with thoroughly selfish and barbaric impulses. Those of us who turn out any other way do so largely through the efforts of others, who civilized us before we got big enough to do too much damage to the world or ourselves. -- Thomas Sowell
 
I had the same issue with my son.

He would impulsively grab at guns at gun shows, at the range my cousin's
duty gun.

He loves guns. I don't want to destroy that so I correct him when he acts inappropriately.

I let him help me clean my guns and let him handle them unloaded as I teach him the 4 rules over and over.

He is pretty good now but it took a while to get him to stop grabbing at guns.
 
My son is in his 20's now, my daughter is 6. 3 is much too young for a little one to be able to understand details about handling firearms or have the judgement, but not so young that they can't be taught the Edie Eagle avoidance rules. While responsible gun ownership is a right it's a right because we all have the right to protect ourselves, our families, and our communities. With small children the best way to protect them is to teach them to avoid firearms without direct close adult supervision.
 
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I agree that pax's post should be preserved. My chirrun were grown when I got interested in guns, but the same principles worked with other stuff.
El Tejon, at last, someone else who has read Bears of Blue River, great book.
 
+1 for PAX

three is probably to young for the exploding produce, i showed my kids that at 5/6 & made a video for the royal rangers i was teaching at the time.
cans of tomato soup work well.
i did in an apple with a .22
a watermelon with a .357
and soup w/both
it'll leave an impression, esp. if you let them struggle to carry the watermelon down range then nearly vaporize it with one shot.
 
You could look around for a nice handgun that would fit his little hands. I think any longgun would be too big for the little man to handle. The Freedom Arms mini revolver is a good choice, but can be difficult to find. North American Arms makes a number of small handguns which would be exellent for your little man.
 
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