I am an Army Sergeant First Class and am going to be teaching some Navy folks some basic Rifle Marksmanship. I have no problem with teaching the fundamentals, but I don't know how the Navy qualifies, nor can I find the form that is used to record qualifications. I am hamstrung without a Navy Online account and am almost dead in the water as far as teaching them the Navy way. Can someone point me in the right direction??
I have a question for any Navy Gunner's Mate that is familiar with instructing on M16
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Hello, brionz, and welcome to THR. With luck someone better qualified to answer your question will come along, but I think what you're looking for (based on some web-based research) is the OPNAV 3591/1 Small Arms Qualification Record . There's a PDF file at https://www.cnic.navy.mil/navycni/groups/public/documents/document/cnic_058415.pdf that contains one version of the form, I don't know if it's current or not though.
If you want to dig around some more on your own, give this search engine a try: http://www.searchmil.com/ .
hth,
lpl (retired Army librarian)
If you want to dig around some more on your own, give this search engine a try: http://www.searchmil.com/ .
hth,
lpl (retired Army librarian)
jnyork
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Hello and welcome to the High Road. Sounds like an interesting assignment, mind telling us what it's all about, if you can? Thanks
Marksman level is 140 out of 200 points.
Sharpshooter is 160 to 169 points.
Expert is 170 to 200 points.
You might look here for some add'l info
http://www.oknapc.org/usna_rifle_&_pistol Quals.htm
The Midshipman should run the same quals as regular Navy. The page contains a basic breakdown of how to and what's expected.
Sharpshooter is 160 to 169 points.
Expert is 170 to 200 points.
You might look here for some add'l info
http://www.oknapc.org/usna_rifle_&_pistol Quals.htm
The Midshipman should run the same quals as regular Navy. The page contains a basic breakdown of how to and what's expected.
You wouldn't training Individual Augmentees by any chance, would you?
The NRQC (Navy Rifle Qualification Course) course of fire can be found on page 58 of OPNAVINSTRUCTION 3591.1
OPNAV 3591.1 pdf
If you have more specific questions about "the Navy way" I'll do my best to answer.
The NRQC (Navy Rifle Qualification Course) course of fire can be found on page 58 of OPNAVINSTRUCTION 3591.1
OPNAV 3591.1 pdf
If you have more specific questions about "the Navy way" I'll do my best to answer.
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Further information for those that are interested....I am assigned to Joint Forces Command, Norfolk and have taken the burden of teaching Marksmanship to other services, as well as new entries into government service (DIA civilians). I want to teach each branch the same way they would be taught by their resapective services, or at least close to it so that when they are no longer in a Joint environment, they won't have a problem with completely new material. I truly appreciate the material I have found due to your responses. I am putting together some basic powerpoint slides so I can give them some handouts to refer to when there is no instructor. Hopefully I can do them well.
SSN Vet
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a worthy task...
if things are anything like they were in the '90s, our shipmates in the Navy will benefit from any and all the training they can get.
if things are anything like they were in the '90s, our shipmates in the Navy will benefit from any and all the training they can get.
janedoedad
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Use small words and short sentences. 
Back in the old days when I was a sailor, we qualified using National Match. Of course it was M1A/M14s and 1911s.
In the 70's and 80's the average sailor received zero to little firearms training. As the Bubblehead noted above, things weren't any better in the 90's. Armed watchstanders carried an unloaded 1911 or SG and were trained on how to load the weapon. Live or familiarization fire training was rarely available. I do hope things have improved.
Back in the old days when I was a sailor, we qualified using National Match. Of course it was M1A/M14s and 1911s.
In the 70's and 80's the average sailor received zero to little firearms training. As the Bubblehead noted above, things weren't any better in the 90's. Armed watchstanders carried an unloaded 1911 or SG and were trained on how to load the weapon. Live or familiarization fire training was rarely available. I do hope things have improved.
you know... I have that one in hard copy. it mentios the M2, and says it has it's own manual... I need to get some decent maps of my area. again... OT but then I haven't found a good online community to discuss this kind of stuff.
there's also a map protractor that the lessons in the manual rely on. I don't have one. I want one.. but don't have one.
there's also a map protractor that the lessons in the manual rely on. I don't have one. I want one.. but don't have one.
new gun guy
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i am in the navy and qualified sharpshooter on the m16 m9 and cqb throght asf acaddemy ei stood watches for security for a few years and i agree that navy people would benefit from any training given to them and personally you being army is a plus, i learned from and retired marine sniper he was a marine gunny but he new his stuff as you most likely do and i would reccommend training all personnel as you were taught and i promise that they will be all the better for it in the long run and plus it provides standardized training for while they are in theatre or standing post. also it would be a lot more comfortable for you and come more naturally i presume at least if it were me. just a suggestion . best of luck
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Qualifications
You need the OPNAV 3591.1F which is the latest qual instruction and the 3591/1 qual record to go with it. all targets except the B2 and blue man target are in the instruction. All courses M16, M9, M11, shotgun, and Machinegun are in the instruction. This should help you out a bit.
You need the OPNAV 3591.1F which is the latest qual instruction and the 3591/1 qual record to go with it. all targets except the B2 and blue man target are in the instruction. All courses M16, M9, M11, shotgun, and Machinegun are in the instruction. This should help you out a bit.
Full Metal Jacket
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on this site?
No doubt - my son's a career Naval Officer.
scythefwd
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Honestly, I'd teach BRM like they did in BCT. The basics are the basics. You squeeze the trigger no matter what uniform you are wearing. The qual is different, but you can adjust to that pretty easily once you have the basics down. Matter of fact, once you have the basics down, I would bet that you can go and qualify on any of the branches qualification courses.
navyretired 1
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In my 28 years in the Navy I received more than the average amount of firearms training and that wasn't much. The ammo which was supposed to be fired was dumped over the side msot times before inspections. There is so much training going on continuosly that firearms training don't make the cut except for Security Alert teams.
I personelly think that all services should receive the same basic firearms training with special training required at command level done specially ie Security Alert, Close Quarter Combat clearing, Boarding and inspecting and Crowd Control.
In 28 years all that training was catch as catch can and if you messed up it was your a$$ as someone showed a training record that you had had your training that cycle.
I personelly think that all services should receive the same basic firearms training with special training required at command level done specially ie Security Alert, Close Quarter Combat clearing, Boarding and inspecting and Crowd Control.
In 28 years all that training was catch as catch can and if you messed up it was your a$$ as someone showed a training record that you had had your training that cycle.
NavyLCDR
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Navy Individual Augmentees receive the standard Army training and qualification according to Army standards.
I'm with Scythe, I think the thing to do absent any specific directive would be to train them using the methods you know, don't train them for a specific course of fire, train them to be the best shooters you have time and resources for, and they will benefit greatly from that.
I know the Air Force only carries rifles for a single week in their version of Basic, I'm guessing the Navy is something like that?
You could also try to get in touch with the Virginia State Marksmanship Team, here in Maine any military member, be it Guard, an Active Duty Servicemember stationed here, or an Active Duty Servicemember who is originally from Maine can participate in the practices, and if they are good enough they can be picked up to shoot competitively with the team.
It's a fantastic program that the team puts a lot of effort into, and if they were to participate in that they would grow by leaps and bounds.
I know the Air Force only carries rifles for a single week in their version of Basic, I'm guessing the Navy is something like that?
You could also try to get in touch with the Virginia State Marksmanship Team, here in Maine any military member, be it Guard, an Active Duty Servicemember stationed here, or an Active Duty Servicemember who is originally from Maine can participate in the practices, and if they are good enough they can be picked up to shoot competitively with the team.
It's a fantastic program that the team puts a lot of effort into, and if they were to participate in that they would grow by leaps and bounds.
Kaeto
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When I went through Navy boot in 1981 the only firearms training we got was how to field strip and reassemble the 1911A1. No firing at all. And we never had another lick of firearms training my entire time in.
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