I have begun to notice a disturbing trend

[therewolf]

Well, Black Butte,

Unless you get an affidavit of authorization from the ATF countersigned by B.O.,

I'm afraid all you'll be able to do is occasionally borrow a BB gun from the local American Legion, but only if the deputy can log it out and back in to the gun vault before 3PM.

 

[TrakHack]

The city I live in requires a handgun purchaser's permit and the sales of handguns are reported to the city police. If you have your CCW permit, the sale does not have to be reported.

I'm waiting until I have my CCW permit in hand before taking possession of my next handgun.

 

[mstrat]

I just got:

(1) my firearms ID card,
(2) the go ahead from my mental health care provider,
(3) an affidavit from my primary care physician,
(4) clearance from my state Senator,
(5) authorization from the chief of police,
(6) a letter from my grade-school teacher, and
(7) loan approval for the registration fees.

What do I do now?

The clearance from the Senator required form ID-10-T be signed in triplicate from the chief of police. The Senator could not have correctly filled out the paperwork, so you need to start again. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

By the way, this is eerily similar to the CFP and registration process here in Chicago.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

I think most of the TV shows that people watch are set in big cities where registration is in fact necessary. Like New York City for example. Isn't that what Plaxico Burress got in trouble for?

The VAST majority of places do not require it. The places that do are very few in fact.

 

[CTPhil]

im pretty sure in CT you have to register, they do a background check and you do a bunch of paperwork so i guess thats registration

That's to get a pistol permit so that you can buy and carry handguns. Once you have the permit you can buy as many guns as you want and take them home on the spot. The paperwork to buy pistols when you have a permit is no different than when you buy a long gun.

 

[danprkr]

I have friends who've never lived out of the state who ask me the same thing. I agree it is kind of scary that people just assume that it's a given. Other than education I can't think of a thing to do about it though. And there's just so many of them I don't know how to get them all.

 

[Shadow 7D]

there is a rider, forget the name that per letter of law mandates that the AFT never compile a 'database' of the 4473 information. So, kinda yeah, but it's in the Manufacturer/Dealers who have to maintain records for 25?? years of every transaction they do.

 

[Hanzo581]

I can completely understand why people that are selling a firearm would want something in writing saying their firearm is no longer in their possession.

 

[Varob]

I was told by my home owners insurance company that in order to insure my guns they would need to be "registered".

I quickly dropped the policy and switched to another company.

Lots of misinformation out there.

 

[Patriotme]

I have a lot of friends and coworkers that believe that we have registration in my state. Even the hunters are confused and think that their guns are registered after filling out the 4473 paperwork.
Then there are the truly confused that believe "Assault Weapons" are fully automatic.

 

[Balrog]

Registration by any other name is still registration. Even if you call it form 4473.

As far as the government is concerned, if you fill out 4473, you own the firearm until you can prove otherwise.

The bottom line is that 4473 can and will be used to trace firearms back to you, if at all possible. There would be no point whatsoever in having 4473 if that was not true.

 

[CZsp01]

Thats actually what I thought too, my friends still think this. They were surprised when I told them no.

 

[JR47]

The Form 4473 is kept by the Dealer until he goes out of business. They are then surrendered, en masse, to the BATFE, along with his Bound Book. Nobody has had the budget to sort, much less enter into a database, all of that information. Nor will they anytime soon.

We came to Georgia from Maryland. Maryland requires a complete, and separate, set of forms to be filled out for the purchase of a hand-gun, or "restricted weapon" (read as "assault-types", or those evil shotguns with pistol grips). This paperwork, plus a fee, goes to the Maryland State Police, and, during the mandatory 7 day waiting period, they run the NICS check for you. On the 8th day, your forms are signed and stamped "not disapproved", then you fill out the 4473, and head home. Maryland restricts hand-guns and "restricted weapons" to one every 30 days, and has a roster of "approved hand-guns" from which purchases are to be made. They have also subscribed to the "fired-shell casing" rule.

Looking at the violent crime rate in Baltimore, Annapolis, and the areas of Maryland near to D.C. will give you an idea of just how well that works, or doesn't.

There are ways around the various once a month scenarios, such as a collectors license from the State. However, Maryland began requiring even private sales between individuals to go through the State Police, and observe the waiting period when hand-guns or those Evil restricted weapons are involved. Once again, the crime rate shows the efficacy of the legislation.

 

[MikePaiN]

Even watching popular tv (L&O, CSI, etc...) it seems that every gun recovered is "registered" to this person or that person.

Ah, someone catches a clue to mass media brainwashing...

 

[jakk280rem]

Quote:

Let me get this straight.....when they do a background check don't they include the gun type, serial etc......so in effect your gun purchase info is "registered" isn't it?

In a backround check, the only information conveyed is whether it is a handgun or long-gun, nothing more. No caliber, no serial number... that information is recorded on the 4473 and stored by the FFL.. furthermore, the information from the NICS check is supposed to be deleted within 24 hours (assuming a procede.)

So to answer your question, No.

that's not entirely true. the information transfered over the phone by the ffl varies by state. here in oregon, the ffl calls the oregon state police, and they perform the background check. and charge you $10 a day too. during that call the make, model, caliber and serial is given to the osp. it's still not registration (i hope), but it still rubs many the wrong way, and has created a thriving private sales market.

 

[Ohio Gun Guy]

It's the camels nose in the tent.....

 

[wrs840]

In a backround check, the only information conveyed is whether it is a handgun or long-gun, nothing more. No caliber, no serial number... that information is recorded on the 4473 and stored by the FFL.. furthermore, the information from the NICS check is supposed to be deleted within 24 hours (assuming a procede.)

I have a NC CHP, so there is no NICS background check. Since the dealer is the only one that has a copy of the 4473, if "the authorities" wanted to know "if" I owned a gun, much less "what" I bought and "when", the only way they'd know is to go to every FFL I've ever bought from or transferred with and get it from their stored records (meaning paper-only records in the case of the 4473)? Is this correct?

What about when a dealer gets inspected by a BATFE agent? Or investigated relating to some crime? Can they / do they take copies of the dealer's 4473s "en masse" then?

Thanks,
Les

 

[Old krow]

Is this irritating to anyone else? has anyone else even noticed?

Yes, it is a bit irritating and yes I have noticed, but that's why we all need to be good mentors.

Uncle Sam's GIs need to get permission to keep personal weapons on base.

If I am not horribly mistaken, there's an AF base out there that require the registration of gun if you're stationed there, doesn't matter if you live on or off base.

 

[dlee4697]

I'm from MD and actually thought every state required some sort of registration and waiting period considering ours is 8 days and all handguns and "assault" type guns have to be registered with the state. Boy was I wrong when i talked to some buddies in PA. Can't wait to move out of this communist ultra-liberal state.

 

[788Ham]

I bought a .32 pistol about 3 months ago, from a pawn. After I finished the paperwork, I looked around the pawn for about another hour. I knew I was clean, no priors, wants or warrants. Finally I ask the guy what was taking so long........ "Oh, must be the other 7 guys ahead of you". Finally my turn came, I was handed the paperwork, pistol in a bag, and it was "Happy Trails." This was the first firearm I'd purchased in about 15 years, no big deal buying here.

 

[ArmedLiberal]

....... it seemed like he was perpetuating the myth that all firearms have to be registered. Even here in California, only handguns and "assault weapons" need to be registered. Normal rifles and shotguns do not, though there is an optional registration form for them.

Hope I'm not excessively nit picky but...

I believe that there is no requirement for handgun registration in California. The details of sale and transfer of handguns by FFL are kept on record by the State, but if you came into possession of a handgun before those laws were passed you have no need to register. Also if you bring a handgun with you when you move to CA they ask that you fill out a form to notify them.


Here is the State DOJ Website FAQ

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php

26. How do I know if my firearms need to be registered?
There is no firearm registration requirement in California except for assault weapon owners and personal handgun importers. However, you may submit a Firearm Ownership Record to the DOJ for any firearm you own. Having a Firearm Ownership Record on file with the DOJ may help in the return of your firearm if it is lost or stolen. With very few and specific exceptions, all firearm transactions must be conducted through a firearms dealer.

 

[Onmilo]

Educate them politely that there is no need to register the gun with anyone in your locale.
It just isn't necessary.

You are getting anxious over people who, suprise of suprises, actually want to be law abiding citizens and are willing to do everything to prove that.
Admirable but a bit misguided.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

When I was in Arizona, a friend who was a long time resident - but not a gun enthusiast - thought guns had to be registered there. He also did not know it was perfectly legal for his 20-year-old son to buy a handgun from me. But registration of firearms is not a myth. Many states and not a few localities (e.g., Clark County, NV ) require it in one form or another. Combined with its being hammered into one's head by TV shows and news articles for decades, it is no wonder even people from non-registration states believe it. Remember that many gun owners are not enthusiasts.

 

[sansone]

in states without registration, a new gun sale is recorded by the FFL and out the door it goes. The papers stay in store, nowhere else. If a firearm shows up at a crime scene, the tracking of the serial # begins.. Registration is entirely different and for the sake of being brief, the gun sale info is NOT just in the FFL's store, but shared with local LE.

 

[heron]

"Well what if I WANT to register it, how do I do that?".

Tell him to send in the warranty card!