I just joined the ACLU.

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A year or 2 ago, someone on this board or TFL (I forget which) made a similar statement. I did a quick google search and in about 1 minute had found a case of a state ACLU organization defending someone on 2nd Amendment grounds. I'm not going to bother searching for it again.

Please do bother and try to find it since I spent at least an hour on their website and have yet to find any mention of defending someone under the Second Amendment,.

 

[DelayedReaction]

The two aren't even comparable!
NAMBLA advocates CHILD MOLESTATION no matter how you look at it!
The NRA does not in any way shape or for condone the illegal use of firearms.

In no way can the two be compared!

Both are organizations that composed of members that other people consider objectionable. I'm sorry, but I have no doubt that the fine folks over at VPC and HCI would gladly compare us to child molestors if they could get away with it.

What if a someone was reading THR before they committed a crime? Would you agree to allow yourself to be identified, since you are a member of this forum? After all, the prosecution was using the fact that a suspect had viewed NAMBLA's website before committing a crime to justify obtaining the membership record.

 

[K-Romulus]

+1

I was an ACLU member before I joined the NRA.

However, VCDL beat them both to my money . . .

 

[rock jock]

the ACLU is a dangerous organization composed entirely of traitors

They are all that and more - perverts, socialists, hypocrites, haters of religion, haters of America, and lovers of all that is evil. Other than that, they're not too bad.

 

[Lupinus]

Both are organizations that composed of members that other people consider objectionable. I'm sorry, but I have no doubt that the fine folks over at VPC and HCI would gladly compare us to child molestors if they could get away with it.

What if a someone was reading THR before they committed a crime? Would you agree to allow yourself to be identified, since you are a member of this forum? After all, the prosecution was using the fact that a suspect had viewed NAMBLA's website before committing a crime to justify obtaining the membership record.

THR, NRA, any other gun organization of boards do not advocate violence.

NAMBLA promotes child molestation. You are talking apples and oranges.

It's like comparing a member of the Bloods to a member of the 4H club. One group promotes completly illegal activity, the other does not. Apples and oranges they are no where near the same.

 

[Third_Rail]

So, in a roundabout way if the ACLU helps you keep your guns by stopping bad legislation, are they still bad?

Are they bad because they fight things like the "Patriot Act"? Just because they aren't perfect doesn't mean they're horrible.

Heck, by the same token I could say the NRA is bad - why, they don't care that some things (supressors, MGs) are regulated, and they don't do anything about the 4473s!

To each his own, I suppose. FWIW, do check out the Institute for Justice, as linked earlier. Best of both.

 

[DelayedReaction]

THR, NRA, any other gun organization of boards do not advocate violence.

NAMBLA promotes child molestation. You are talking apples and oranges.

So you're telling me the VPC wouldn't say we promote violence? You really think the Brady Bunch doesn't scream that the NRA pushes a culture of violence and encourages people to let the streets run red with blood?

Look beyond what you think of NAMBLA. Consider the implications if an organization was allowed to have its members exposed because someone thought their practices were objectionable. The NAMBLA members have done nothing illegal by joining that group, just as you have done nothing wrong by joining THR.

 

[Lupinus]

the bad they do far outweighs any little bits of good they do on occasion.

Heck, by the same token I could say the NRA is bad - why, they don't care that some things (supressors, MGs) are regulated, and they don't do anything about the 4473s!

Cause they have enough to worry about right now? I'd rather have m basic right secured, get ccw, etc. and then worry about nice things like supressors and automatics. Baby steps yes but that's how things are and they don't support bad things. The ACLU almost exclusivly gets involved in idiocy.

 

[Third_Rail]

Doublepost, sorry!

 

[Lupinus]

So you're telling me the VPC wouldn't say we promote violence? You really think the Brady Bunch doesn't scream that the NRA pushes a culture of violence and encourages people to let the streets run red with blood?

Look beyond what you think of NAMBLA. Consider the implications if an organization was allowed to have its members exposed because someone thought their practices were objectionable. The NAMBLA members have done nothing illegal by joining that group, just as you have done nothing wrong by joining THR.

Yes but what people think and what are facts are two different animals. The brady bunch thinks guns equal violence, facts disprove that. NAMBLA supports child rape, facts support that.

 

[Black92LX]

Both are organizations that composed of members that other people consider objectionable. I'm sorry, but I have no doubt that the fine folks over at VPC and HCI would gladly compare us to child molestors if they could get away with it.

What if a someone was reading THR before they committed a crime? Would you agree to allow yourself to be identified, since you are a member of this forum? After all, the prosecution was using the fact that a suspect had viewed NAMBLA's website before committing a crime to justify obtaining the membership record.

Look beyond what you think of NAMBLA. Consider the implications if an organization was allowed to have its members exposed because someone thought their practices were objectionable. The NAMBLA members have done nothing illegal by joining that group, just as you have done nothing wrong by joining THR.

Are you saying child molestaion merely objectionable
I am sorry but there is no question to it! Child Molestaion IS WRONG NO MATTER WHAT ANY TYPE OF SPIN ANYONE WANTS TO PUT ON IT!
And anyone that partakes or even tries to advocate the act should be taken out immediatly! We have no need for that sort of degradation in this country or anywhere. It should not be tolerated in the fashion that it is.

 

[Art Eatman]

If enough gun folks joined the ACLU, in every chapter in every state, we could change the various causes they pursue. Get the organization to be pro-individual rights on the 2nd Amendment.

Hey, the process worked for the "progressives" with the Democratic Party, didn't it?

Art

 

[Marty Hayes]

Anyone know how many members the ACLU has?

 

[TCW]

Supporting God-hating communists, the Abortion Lobby, cop-killers, child molesters and terrorists.

Ummm...no thanks.

 

[BuddyOne]

DISPOSITIVE EXERCISE

Go to ACLU Headquarters. Walk into the lobby. Look up. Count the number of amendments to the US Constitution they have displayed high up on the walls. Do you see ten amendments or nine?

Guess which one is missing.

Ask yourself, "When did the Bill of Rights go from ten Amendments to nine?"

Buddy

 

[Kim]

No thanks from me also. I despise the ACLU. They do not fool me one bit. They are just very good at deceiving some. Not me. I have watched them very closely. I have seen them snicker and laugh about the idea of the 2nd amendment being an individual right and the sneering and giggles were aganist those who hold that belief. I have seen their lawyers on FSTV and the Univ. of California dish net work channel give some very over the top anti amercian talks. Too Left wing for me. Communism is evil not even good in theory.

 

[MrTuffPaws]

Congrats. If the right knew what was good for them, the would all be members of the ACLU

 

[xd9fan]

ACLU

 

[Kurush]

THR, NRA, any other gun organization of boards do not advocate violence.

NAMBLA promotes child molestation. You are talking apples and oranges.

The ACLU promotes child molestation?? My GOD! Oh wait, it's NAMBLA that promotes child molestation, not the ACLU, and the ACLU only took up their case because it would have made bad case law if they had lost. Whew.

Seriously guys, if you aren't supporting ACLU then what are you doing to help stop the PATRIOT act? If the answer is "nothing" then don't bother replying.

If there is an organization somewhere that (gasp) supports the entire BOR and actually has effective lobbyists and organizers then I would sincerely love to hear about it.

 

[BuddyOne]

Reporting In

I'm doing nothing to help stop the Patriot Act.

Buddy

 

[S_O_Laban]

The ACLU is one wicked organazation.... imho.

 

[tube_ee]

The ACLU

Argues cases on behalf of the rights of some of the worst people in society. That's needed. It's always easy to say "Those guys are bad, their rights don't deserve protection." But, until such time as those "bad guys" are convicted of an actual crime, they're citizens, and the Constitution applies just as much to them as to any of us. Defending those rights, without regard to the character of the people or organizations involved, is vital to the preservation of freedom for the rest of us. It's all too easy for "them" to become "you." If "they" weren't defended, it'll be too late for "you."

As to the claim that they haven't taken cases for non-liberal organizations, that's simply untrue, unless you consider the KKK to be liberal. The rationale was the same as with NAMBLA, or many other whacked-out groups whose freedom of speech the ACLU has defended. Voltaire said it best.

Defending terrorists? I suppose if you go along with the idea that you're a terrorist the moment the government says you are, then that claim has some merit. But this is about more than terrorism. It's about whether or not the President can claim whatever power he wants, as long as it can be shoehorned into a box labeled "The War on Terror." Before you hand George Bush power, make sure you'd be OK with Hillary Clinton wielding that power, because your side won't be in power forever, and pendulums have this habit of swinging....

I don't get the Right's hatred of the ACLU. Unless the conservative definition of "freedom" is "free to be just like me," which I hope it isn't. Well, I can see why the Dominionists don't like them much, but then, that's a recommendation from where I sit.

I wish they were active on gun rights issues, but there are other organizations that do that job. Nobody else is doing what the ACLU does, and it's neccessary work. Even if some of the people they defend are scumbags.

Hey, I'd like Pat Robertson to shut up and go away, but I'm not willing to give the State the power to do it. Because it wouldn't stop with him. So, if preserving my ability to speak my mind requires allowing Robertson, O'Reilly, Coulter, Rush, and Hannity to spew forth (and it does), that's a price I'll gladly pay. If only they'd show me the same consideration....

--Shannon

 

[C. Rabbit]

Some years back in high school, a friend of mine asked 'how does the ACLU count to ten?' to me and some other people, including the teacher of a american government class(it was a laid back class at times), and then said '1,3,4,5,...'
I was the only one who laughed. When the teacher looked a bit confused I pointed out the ACLU poster of the bill of rights she had hung on her wall-completely lacking any mention of the second amendment.

CR

 

[Kim]

Dominionists----------A NYT made up left wing word used as propaganda to scare the uneducated about Christians. Gives them another word to use instead of the dreadful awful FUNDAMENTALISTS you know the Christian Tailban according the the NYT. There is nothing better than reading something writtten by the likes of Rich of NYT fame. He does not know what a Christian is and would dirty his pants if he found out he was sitting next to one in his left wing bubble that he lives and worries in. I could name many left wing theologians that seem to have no problem mixing church and state with the groups and agendas they support. Have you ever seen a negative NYT editorial about these groups of Christians that is negative or that even points out they are left wing socialists. NO they are praised and little is said about their rantings and the MSM NEVER says or reports one negative word about them. Sorry but that word and how it has been used by the NYT as you can see really bugs the heck out of me.

 

[Kim]

Google and see what the MA chapter of the ACLU has to say about the 2nd amendment. It will make you mad. Plus the ACLU also does not recognize the 10th amendment.