I like Ron Paul

[ArmedBear]

That's right.

I like where he stands, I like the man, I like his smile. I like everything about him.

When I have written that I don't think he can beat a Democrat in the Presidential election, that doesn't mean I don't like him. That's also my opinion, as of today, based on what I know, which sure isn't everything!

Here's the deal: when you put together a team, you have different people playing different roles. The best catcher in baseball history wouldn't be the best pitcher; the best home run hitter might be mediocre at best, when playing first base.

I don't know that Paul is the best candidate for President, if he can play THAT aspect of the game and win. Given some of the Presidents we've had, I don't think that winning the election necessarily makes you a great person, anyway. It's not an insult to doubt that someone fits into that role well, when there are millions of roles -- many of them morally better -- in life for people to play.

Ron Paul might take to the Presidential role quite well. Or not. I like that he's in Congress, and I like where he stands, though I can't see that he's had any real influence on legislative outcomes.

Opinions about that, on any side of the issue, are NOT "bashing." They're opinions.

 

[GoSlash27]

Your opinion is duly noted Certainly nothing wrong with having one of those.
My opinion is that not only can he beat the Dems, he's the only Republican who can.

 

[MrRezister]

Ok, so...

I guess we should vote for someone with better "name recognition", since that's the type of candidate that could conceivably beat a Democrat, regardless of how completely we agree with that candidate's position. Is that the argument here? Ron Paul can't possibly win, so therefore we shouldn't vote for him (thus ensuring that he doesn't win)?

You made it clear that you're not sure Paul would make a good Prez, but you didn't make it clear why. If a candidate's stand on the important issues isn't a good enough measure of his electability, what is? His pants size? Haircut? Astrological sign? Shall we wait for some woman lying in a pond to toss cutlery at him before judging him worthy of wielding supreme executive power*?

Just wondering.


*Obligatory nerdy Monty Python reference, I'm allowed one a month.

 

[High Planes Drifter]

I like Ron Paul also.





This thread will wind up getting locked like the other Ron Paul threads have been lately.

 

[tinygnat219]

I actually gave some money to his campaign. I am starting to like him. Of course, I am looking at Bill Richardson too.

 

[helpless]

Donated a lot to his campaign last week thanks to you guys buying my decals!

He will beat the democratic nominee, all he needs to do is debate them and people will see whats up.

 

[GoRon]

This thread will wind up getting locked like the other Ron Paul threads have been lately.

There are 9 threads with Ron Paul in the title, two were closed.

How many Ron Paul threads do we need?

 

[RealGun]

I think one should identify significant voting blocks and how Paul is going to appeal to each of them. I think some stereotyping and speculation is useful in that regard. It is not a good idea to ignore ones instincts or just common sense.

Many of those blocks place no priority at all on many of the reasons Paul enjoys apparent support on THR. Ignore the Hollywood factor at your own peril. It is still a critical concern to pick someone you think can beat the other guy...pick your poison, while counting your blessings. If not, is there a real point to it all, other than self indulgence, and for what? If not planning to mobilize militias or have any call to do so, if things don't go your way, then you have to play the game to make any difference. That is what makes sense to me at least.

Cap all that with it being too early to tell who the viable candidates really are. That will be based upon who can draw contributions in competitive numbers. I don't see Paul doing that. He has not made it his business to be a politician outside of Texas. He like a number of other candidates will have some pulpit time during the primary run, and that will be the end of it.

It is statistically unlikely that the President will come directly from Congress. I look for a Governor who serves the religious right or someone like Fred Thompson to emerge as the GOP front runner. If Thompson runs, then Newt Gingrich runs, both with offsetting lover boy issues that shouldn't really matter, considering Bill Clinton's popularity. I might not like it, but that would be my prediction. Someone starkly different than Democrats is not going to win an election.

Actually, I think George Bush was a good choice and would hope to see someone similar. He sufficiently satisfied exactly the right voting blocks to get elected. Any meaningful changes will come from Congress, so I have a Senate race in SC to get most of my attention (Lindsay Graham needs to get humble).

 

[GoRon]

Bill Richardson just jumped into the race and he meats your criteria from the Democrat side. He is certainly less controversial than Hillary Clinton and has substance unlike Obama.

It seems pretty likely Thompson is going to jump into the fray, I'm not so sure about Newt.

Like I have said in other threads, I also like Ron Paul, voted for him in '88 when I was part of the Libertarian (Clown Posse) Party. In his years in congress he has not distinguished himself as presidential material. His voting record alone once made well known to the public will bury him. It doesn't matter that ideologically he was right (well at least a good part of the time).

We will win in small steps and by changing momentum. Libertarians want it all and they want it NOW. That isn't how the system is set up, it is a meat grinder of compromise.

 

[psyopspec]

How many Ron Paul threads do we need?

How many threads on AWB I and II do we need? How many threads any one firearm model? How many on the Brady Campaign?

So long as it stays civil and has a different aspect than previous discussions, what's the problem?

I realize you may see these threads as "clogging" the L&P section, but please be aware there are those of us who are reading them with interest. If it's in the way of your enjoyment, then pick the next topic that catches your eye and move on in peace sir.

 

[GoRon]

I realize you may see these threads as "clogging" the L&P section, but please be aware there are those of us who are reading them with interest. If it's in the way of your enjoyment, then pick the next topic that catches your eye and move on in peace sir.

Actually my point was that there was no censoring of Ron Paul threads and that there are currently 7 active ones.

I don't recall bemoaning the fact that there were too many. Although they all are tending to say the same thing after a while.

 

[High Planes Drifter]

I don't recall bemoaning the fact that there were too many. Although they all are tending to say the same thing after a while.

No they werent. The one I started was asking for someone to provide a link to Ron Pauls' interview on CNN. Thats all it was, I wasnt discussing his views, his beliefs, and I wasnt starting a dabate. Granted, someone provided the link and there was really no need to keep it going, and had it been left alone the thread would have went the way of the Dodo bird on its own. But it didnt need to be shut down, and labelled as "beating a dead horse". As far as the "how many do you need" comment- currently there are 3 AR discussions, 5 AK discussions, 2 M1 Carbine threads going, and the usual/weekly, seemingly endless "SHTF" rifle - All going on over in the rifle country forum.

Edited to be more civil

 

[Chui]

I think he could be a successful president only if the people of the US return to studying the laws of the land and demanding responsibility from gov't. In this manner Congress would have to be careful dealing with him (but only if the public rallies behind him).

We're in some very dangerous times for the Republic as well as the planet and disasters WILL occur. We need a gov't leader who perceives the dangers yet fully respects the laws of our land. To me (and I surely don't know everything) Ron Paul is the only guy with the proper perspective for that job - at least on the GOP side of things.

There are a lot of big IFs in the above and I don't know if all or ANY of the 'ifs' will realize, but there it is...

 

[gego]

I have liked Ron Paul for a long time. I contributed to his Libertarian campaign back when he ran as a Libertarian. He was systematically excluded from the Presidential debate between the Democrat and Republican candidate so his message never got out. Maybe the time was not right then and maybe it is now.

One of the problems with a person like Ron Paul is that those in power and the general public have a tendency to ignore and marginalize a person with wisdom. Were Thomas Jefferson himself to come back from the grave and run for President, he would receive the same sort of response as Ron Paul. As a matter of fact Ron Paul is the equal of Thomas Jefferson, something that the American public has not been exposed to for many, many decades.

There is a concept that there is a remnant element within the population who do in fact have the ability to think and who will find Ron Paul. That is the spontaneous movement that is arising on the internet. As you might expect there is more intellect on the internet than in the general population. Ron Paul is being found, and his success depends upon both the remnant finding him and then the remnant influencing the mindless sheeple to follow them.

People are writing about him in blogs which you can see if you go to technorati.com and do a search for Ron Paul. This lets you see what is getting into peoples' minds. Of course the attack by Benito Guiliani in the second debate and the attempt by the Michigan GOP to have Ron Paul removed from future debates helped. The explosion of youtube videos is helping to spread the wisdom of Ron Paul.

This will not only be interesting to watch develop, but it will also be exciting if we can throw off the oppression that our government has become.

 

[RealGun]

But it didnt need to be shut down, and labelled as "beating a dead horse". - HighPlanesDrifter

The person who started the thread shouldn't take that personally. The objections should be toward hijacking of the thread, the latest post bearing no resemblance to the first and only marginally constructive at best. Some topics need to regroup and start over with some new focus, because a huge thread is too big and disjointed to follow.

 

[Correia]

Yes, the moderators are all part of a giant conspiracy against Ron Paul. We're committed to burying the truth! By closing a couple of the multitude of Ron Paul threads currently running, and those just being the redundant, bloated ones, where posters are apparently having a competition about who can do the best impersonation of a Patrick Henry slogan, we're obviously out to get you. BWA HA HA HA! (for my laugh is an evil laugh)

Why? Because we're NeoCon, Liberal, Statist, Sheeple, Republicrat, Democrat, Fascist, Anti-Liberty, Pro-Patriot act, gun grabbing, Freedom Haters who watch Fox/CNN, and are secretly rooting for Rudy Guilliani.

And we would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you pesky kids!

Now quickly, escape to our Black Helicopters!

 

[HiroProX]

When presented with a choice between arsenic, cyanide, or coffee... the propensity to choose the arsenic or cyanide over the coffee because for some reason you don't think coffee will be popular, would be amusing if it didn't have such dangerous results.

 

[BigG]

When presented with a choice between arsenic, cyanide, or coffee... the propensity to choose the arsenic or cyanide over the coffee because for some reason you don't think coffee will be popular, would be amusing if it didn't have such dangerous results.

Excuse me - what planet did you fall off of?

 

[BigG]

Rationally thinking people vote for the candidate who at least shares some of their important values. You RP people seem to think its a crime to vote for anyone unless you share all values with your candidate. I have a two word sentence for you. GROW UP!

 

[TrybalRage]

Yes, the moderators are all part of a giant conspiracy against Ron Paul. We're committed to burying the truth! By closing a couple of the multitude of Ron Paul threads currently running, and those just being the redundant, bloated ones, where posters are apparently having a competition about who can do the best impersonation of a Patrick Henry slogan, we're obviously out to get you. BWA HA HA HA! (for my laugh is an evil laugh)

Why? Because we're NeoCon, Liberal, Statist, Sheeple, Republicrat, Democrat, Fascist, Anti-Liberty, Pro-Patriot act, gun grabbing, Freedom Haters who watch Fox/CNN, and are secretly rooting for Rudy Guilliani.

And we would have gotten away with it too, if it hadn't been for you pesky kids!

Now quickly, escape to our Black Helicopters!

Finally! And the truth will set us free!!

 

[GoRon]

How come I never get to ride in the helicopter?

 

[romma]

Who is Ron Paul? I never hear anything about him on this sight....

 

[mordechaianiliewicz]

Frankly, I find it irrelevant whether RP can win the Presidency or not. The Republicans had an alliance of different factions going in their bids to win the Presidency.

In the debates, Paul pointed out the fact (not speculation), but fact that the Republican Base has shrunk. I used to be a member of the Republican Base. Then, we had war in Iraq, and Bush and Co. decided to forget about OBL.

Paul gets on stage, and discusses blowback, and the real reasons they hate us. He suggests actually going after the 9/11 terrorists, as opposed to having a massive base in a nation which had nothing to do with the attack, and being humble in our foreign policy.

Those polls you see where Paul wins, or comes dern close are people like me. Right now, the Republican Party needs people like me back, or it won't ever win the Presidency again.

Save the GOP. Elect Paul. Or, become the Whigs.

 

[Biker]

BigG...

Got news for ya - I'm as grown up as I care to be and fortunately, I still have a keen sense of right and wrong.
I'd take it kindly if you didn't insinuate that by adhereing to my morals, I'm less than grown up.

Biker

 

[Titan6]

Rationally thinking people vote for the candidate who at least shares some of their important values. You RP people seem to think its a crime to vote for anyone unless you share all values with your candidate.

Values yes. Policies no. I disagree with RP on a number of issues. I do not particularly have any feelings so far as like or dislike towards him. However he is well ahead of everyone else in the running for the issues that are important to me. Near all of the other candidates do not even fall in the acceptable coloumn.

I have a two word sentence for you. GROW UP!

If growing up is selling out my values I guess I will be little manling forever....