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I need help coming up with a strategy for concealed carry

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by bos19, Aug 13, 2019.

  1. bos19

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    So I'm planning on starting to conceal carry soon for the first time, but am not sure how to go about it. I've been struggling to come up with a strategy for my average workday, as I work a 9-5 type job at a company that is not gun-friendly. The employee handbook says no guns in the building and I'm not looking to get fired, but the issue is since work takes up so much of my week, I don't know how to work around not being able to have a gun on me at all times. If my friends want to go to the movies right after work or I have to go to the store, mall, etc. I don't want to have to drive out of my way to go home and get my conceal carry gun. My workplace is in a very nice location and I am very tempted to just keep the gun in my locked glovebox in my car only when I'm working, even though I know it's not ideal. There are literally thousands of other cars at my workplace, so the chances of my car being broken into on a secure campus with cameras everywhere outside that are actually used are small. Thoughts?
     
  2. 460Shooter

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    Personally I don’t carry at work because getting caught would end my career. It’s a calculated risk.

    I’d leave it in the car.

    Do you already own a carry gun or have your carry method figured out?
     
  3. bos19

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    I was planning on using my Glock 19 for my carry gun for the time being, but I've been considering getting a Glock 43, as the Glock 43 is more concealable. I have an IWB holster, gun belt, etc.
     
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    Sounds like you’ve got some good equipment.
     
  5. SharpDog

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    What @460Shooter ^^ said, I'm in the same predicament. I stash the gun in my car and carry a taser and pocket knife at work. The Taser is one use, after that it's the knife. I would also consider pepper spray.

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  6. bos19

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    The one issue is the 19 seems like it can potentially be an issue if I'm wearing summer clothes, which is why I am considering getting the 43.
     
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    Get the 43 also.
     
  8. Trunk Monkey

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    Get a purpose designed lock box to secure your gun in your car. I almost never have to lock up my gun but I have the box in my car and I keep emergency cash in the lock box.
     
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  9. Styx

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    No guns are allowed at my job, in their parking lot, or anywhere on their property... I've carried a small 380, j-frame, or Kahr MK9 for over 6 years now. I work 12 hour shifts sometimes 6 days a week. I carry IWB and keep it concealed. No one other than random anonymous people on the internet know.

    Shootings happen at places of employment all the time. The only way anyone will know I'm carrying is if I have to use my firearm to save my life. I don't mind losing my job under that circumstance. I carry anywhere that it's legal and there's no metal detectors.
     
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    as others have said, leave it in your car, that is not a building, and carry pepper spray/taser in the bldg with you,
     
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  11. Styx

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    Most employers ban all weapons which includes guns, knives, tasers, etc. Taser may get you booted from the company no different than carrying a firearm.
     
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  12. bos19

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    Just to play devil's advocate here, doesn't security at a lot of companies nowadays have metal detector wands? I'm pretty sure I've seen them with one of those in my workplace once or twice and have heard of other companies having the same thing. Also, what about if you have a medical emergency during your shift, you go unconscious, and your gun is discovered when you're being put on a stretcher? These are all scenarios I've played in my head.
     
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  13. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    I work a typical office job at the moment. I'll be going to paramedic school next spring. O have been carrying in my job over 6 years as well like River Styx here. My company, like most, has it against the rules to conceal carry or even have a knife. I have both on me. I carry a j frame and my Cold Steel Recon 1. I don't know your workplace co-workers but mine know what I'm about (no I don't tell them I carry) and know they can come to me for stuff that needs to be cut that our office scissors can't hack. I won't tell you what to do, I decided a long time ago my life if not worth my job if something went down. I have no experience with the G43 but isn't it the same size as the shield? I can pocket carry a shield so I'd imagine the 43 could as well. Maybe our 43 carriers here will help in that regard. Do what you NEED to do not what they WANT.
     
  14. SharpDog

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    Just to rebut. I am 99.999 % confident I could carry concealed at my job.

    I am 100% sure I would get fired if discovered.

    I really, really like my job. I get paid very well at a great company that is very resistant to financial downturns.

    #DoTheMath
     
  15. Styx

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    No, most places I've worked do not have metal detectors. I'd say that metal detectors are the exception and not the rule at most places. Yes, if I should happen to have a heart attack or otherwise go unconscious, and my shirt is pulled up or off, my firearm will be discovered, but I don't see any of that happening. Been there for some time now, I've been working for a few decades now, and I've never had a medical emergency. I've been at my current company for over 6 years, and have always carried w/o a problem. With that said, there has been a hand few of time throughout the years were former employees threatened violence and L.E. were called. I think my chances of having to use my firearm to defend myself are greater than me going suddenly going unconscious. Do what you think is right for you. If that's leaving a firearm in your car, go for it. For me, the fact that I work around hundreds of random people, the fact that the security is unarmed where I work, and with all the shooting that are going on, I'll keep my firearm on my person..

    I live in Virginia. I literally live 10 minutes away from the court house area where the Virginia Beach shooting happened by a disgruntled employee. He killed 12 people, and injured more. There have been shootings on college campuses, supermarkets, churches, everywhere. I'm not taking any chances. In all these cases, the shootings only lasted a handful of minutes. You're not going to have time to run to your car to get your firearm. Good luck getting close enough to use a taser, and I've seen countless YouTube videos where pepper spay and tasers did nothing more than inconvenience and annoy an attacker.
     
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    This might seem to not apply, but I was threatened physically by my boss and also threatened with LEO action by him as well. However, I didn't need a gun because he was a coward as all bullies are.

    I had an LEO called on me once for a job firing. I was working as a software developer for an ex-body builder who had evidently done too many steroids

    aside: Once he stood in my office yelling at someone else for a full 4-5 hours (who was not even in the office at the time) because he could not yell at them person to person LOL

    I am a well trained martial artist.

    anyways, when we were outside in the common area he would do things like make sudden movements to my face and body trying to scare me. When he saw I didn't flinch I think he got scared because he couldn't intimidate me.

    When he had to lay me off (mainly because his bad temper had cost us customers, but also because his bad judgement in employees had gotten us a lot of dead weight ... not moi of course ;) ) he had to call the local sheriff to escort me out because he was afraid LOL

    Never carried a gun, just a pocket knife. Wouldn't have needed either against this fool.

    Peace dividend, I took his highest and most prominent customer with me when I left and gave them a new software method that I researched independent of the original company so no back royalties owed :)
     
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  18. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    I know nothing of martial arts other than basic moves but I do know human body cannot move faster than a .223 round.
     
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    I agree with Trunk Monkey. I have a center console safe in my truck plus a cabled gun safe under the seat. That way you have the ability to lock it up when visiting places where guns are not allowed.
     
  20. SharpDog

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    The human body, specifically my fist can definitely move faster that your draw an a distance of less than 2 feet which is where this scenario occurred. Both sitting.
     
  21. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    I'd have an AR shouldered and it wouldn't have mattered how fast you are. Not every scenario ends like that.
     
  22. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    But this isn't regarding martial arts, this is a gun forums and the topic is carrying at work.
     
  23. SharpDog

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    That's tru, and I guess it depends on how many scenarios you have trained.

    I was teaching martial arts strategy and tactics for a local PD one time. We had about 2 dozen officers enriolled.

    I could not get them over their 'we have a gun, so we're gonna win, mentality'.

    So
    1. unloaded all weapons and inspected.

    go down the line:

    2. point gun at me

    3. I am counting 1, 2, 3 at 3 I will attack you

    4. at any point you may fire your weapon, I can attack you when you decide to pull the trigger

    .... ok, then we go around the room, many of them holding their wrists, 'Do any of you think you hit me" ?

    the answer was a unanimous 'NO'

    ok then, let's see what happens if I'm not facing you (but I can see your face)

    repeat at step 3, this time they're behind me but I'm sneaking a peek

    step 4

    .... ok, then we go around the room, many of them holding their wrists, 'Do any of you think you hit me" ?

    the answer was a unanimous 'NO'

    and, btw, can we go back to you facing us, that hurts less ... The back kicks are less focussed and more powerful

    This magical trick was predicated on 'facial tells' or 'flinching'. As soon as I saw a flinch I disarmed them.

    Training works peoiple, it's not about the weapon ...
     
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  24. The Evangelist Cowboy

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    That's true as well. I practice a version of the Teuller method. I think that's what it's called anyway, I train for several scenarios which not close to everything that can happen.
     
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    What state are you in? Many, but not all, states have laws prohibiting employers from prohibiting employees from having firearms in their personal vehicles. It'd be good to find that out, even if you don't intend to follow that rule.

    A Glock 19 can easily be carried in summer clothes by a person who is carrying the right way. I did so regularly for many years. I've since switched regular carry guns but my current carry gun is basically the same size, just DA/SA. Your body shape will be the biggest factor in determining what that best carry method is. I'm 6'1" 185 lbs. with a slim, athletic build and an appendix carried Glock 19 conceals quite well with just a t shirt. If you're over weight, you'll probably find it more challenging, but it can be done. I know several people who do it.
     
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