I sold an Ar15 upper to someone in CA...

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Hi,

I sold an AR15 upper to someone through Gun Broker, the auction ended and I found out the buyer is located in California. I know CA has some pretty bad laws, so I would like to find out if everything will be legal.

The Upper is a flat top, 20 in barrel with a bayonet lug and removable A2 flash hider.

Is this legal to sell to him?

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I live in CA, and I would not do it. your not breaking any laws.
 
You're not selling a complete gun to him. I think you'll be fine.
 
I live in CA, and I would not do it. your not breaking any laws.
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Do you mean I shouldn't sell it to him? Or that you wouldn't buy this upper but I should be fine?

You're not selling a complete gun to him. I think you'll be fine.
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That's good to hear. I know I don't need an FFL, as there is no serial on the upper. I of course don't want to be breaking any CA laws.

I really hope someday the gun culture in CA gets a better foothold and gets rid of these stupid laws.
 
When it comes to the AR you can sell any thing and everything to someone in CA. Parted out you can sell and ship everything but the lower to someone in CA. A complete rifle can be sold to someone in CA as long as it has a 10 round mag locked into the mag well. Or you can sell a complete rifle with a 10 round mag not locked into the gun if there is no pistol grip, bayonet lug, and flash hider.
 
I may be mistaken, but I assume the law says that it is illegal to possess (whatever). Worst case scenario, he gets busted for ignorance of the law, which is no fault of yours.
 
Perhaps the buyer lives in CA, and keeps some of his firearms in another state, perhaps he plans to take the upper and assemble it to a lower in some place such as Nevada. I can't see you being liable for anything.
 
I thought flash hiders and bayonet lugs were illegal in Cali?

It's only a part, not a firearm.
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I'm cursious to see how far that gets you in the court of law. Actually, there was a line in the movie "Blow" about drug laws. "I took a plant across an imaginary boundry line..." Judge, "It happens to be that that plant is illegal and the boundry line is real. You are guilty."
 
The lower is the registered part and if it's not on the "list" it's considered an off list lower and that's it.

Every other part of the rifle is just that, a part and can be sold to anyone here in CA. If someone tells you anything different they're talking out their arse and spreading FUD.
 
The lower is the registered part and if it's not on the "list" it's considered an off list lower and that's it.

Every other part of the rifle is just that, a part and can be sold to anyone here in CA. If someone tells you anything different they're talking out their arse and spreading FUD.
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what he said.
 
The lower is the registered part and if it's not on the "list" it's considered an off list lower and that's it.

What that does mean? Does it mean it's illegal but you can keep it as long as nobody else knows about it?:confused:
 
It means there is a list of lowers that are banned in CA. There are a lot of lowers that are not on this list. Other than buying a CA legal bushmaster carbon you need to start with a stripped lower and build the gun up from there. You can buy and register a stripped lower because by CA definition it is not an assault weapon unless it's on the list. Once you put a pistol grip on the lower there needs to be a 10 round mag locked into the gun, even without an upper on it.
 
It means there is a list of lowers that are banned in CA. There are a lot of lowers that are not on this list.
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list of banned lowers = http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/12275.php

The series language was thrown out in court so if the make and model is not listed above then it is an "off list lower".

Other than buying a CA legal bushmaster carbon you need to start with a stripped lower and build the gun up from there. You can buy and register a stripped lower because by CA definition it is not an assault weapon unless it's on the list.
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Wrong.

1) you can buy complete rifles as long as they are configured correctly. example being a fixed mag or detachable mag and no evil features (pistol grip, folding/tele stock, flash hider)

2) There is no registration

3) a stripped off list lower is not an assault weapon because it's a) not on the list. b) featureless


Once you put a pistol grip on the lower there needs to be a 10 round mag locked into the gun, even without an upper on it.
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Wrong again. Pistol grips are allowed on lowers that have detachable magazines, only because they do not meet the criteria of an Assault weapon in CA since it's not a centerfire weapon. If a centerfire upper is attached then it will become an assault weapon.

ps. we dont have constructive possession laws in CA
 
Nice upper. Was it an H BAR or did it have the M203 milling under the hand guard??
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It is an H BAR.

I was able to get some very nice accuracy out of it at 100 yards. About an 1.25" or so with the right load. Probably could have done better with a better trigger and nut behind it. Not bad for Chrome lining and no free floating hand guard.
 
I owned a similar upper in California. No problem. Perfectly legal.

He can get into legal trouble if he puts it on a lower that's on the banned list, or if the lower is not configured in the right ways. But the upper is not illegal by itself, and an AR can be built and used legally in California.
 
The nut behind the rifle very often has a marked effect upon the accuracy!
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oh I do agree, which is why I think this upper was capable of better accuracy.

I just need to improve my marksmanship. :D

I owned a similar upper in California. No problem. Perfectly legal.
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Sounds good to me, seems conclusive at this point. Still, it's a shame I would even have to ask the question...
 
I'm wondering why some of you who obviously are not from Cali and have no idea of our retarded and very complex laws are even commenting with your FUD in this thread?

We have enough problems without the constant spread of FUD. The LOWER is the gun - the upper means nothing.
 
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