I have a RRA Entry Tactical with a 16" chrome-lined barrel and the RRA tactical muzzle brake. I want a sound suppressor for the rifle. How do I go about getting a suppressor and how much should I expect to pay? What is the difference between the various sound suppressors and which one do you recommend? Do suppressors ever wear out? Also, can the muzzle brake that is currently on my rifle simple be removed and replaced by a suppressor? I think my brake is detachable. Thanks.
I want an AR-15 silencer
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Outlaws
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Find a Class 3 dealer. Fill out paperwork, send check, then wait. Basically, call your favorite gun shop, ask if they re Class 3 or if they know a place that is. The dealer will generally guide you through it.
Ben Shepherd
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Where do you live? In some states it's illegal.
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They can not only guide you through the proper paperwork, they are the ones that have enough expertese to answer your technical questions. There maybe some on this forum who have personal experience in obtaining the required paperwork and also have some variety of knowledge regarding what is available, but in the end you will need to go through a class three dealer anyway.
Bartholomew Roberts
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Your first task is to find out:
1. Is it legal in your state?
2. Will your county LEO sign the Form 4 for transfer?
Once you know those two details, it will make the rest of the process easier. Your other questions are very general and it will take me awhile to respond; but I'll jot down some thoughts. In the meantime, search here on THR for "suppressors" or skim through Firearm Accessories.
1. Is it legal in your state?
2. Will your county LEO sign the Form 4 for transfer?
Once you know those two details, it will make the rest of the process easier. Your other questions are very general and it will take me awhile to respond; but I'll jot down some thoughts. In the meantime, search here on THR for "suppressors" or skim through Firearm Accessories.
What are the pros and cons to registering a suppressor through a corporation vs. a personal living trust?
What happens if the corporation is sold or closed? The suppressor then needs to be transferred personally or to a personal living trust? Along with another $200 transfer tax, I assume?
By the way, is there any drawback to getting a .223 suppressor for an AR and bolt rifle and also using it on a .22LR rifle and Ruger MKII? Is that possible?
Thanks.
What happens if the corporation is sold or closed? The suppressor then needs to be transferred personally or to a personal living trust? Along with another $200 transfer tax, I assume?
By the way, is there any drawback to getting a .223 suppressor for an AR and bolt rifle and also using it on a .22LR rifle and Ruger MKII? Is that possible?
Thanks.
Bartholomew Roberts
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See the earlier post regarding what you need to determine first. For a .223 suppressor, prices can run from $475 to $1300 (not including the $200 transfer tax) depending on what you want.
Astonishingly enough, there isn't a lot of difference sound-wise between the various suppressors. Most suppressors will quiet an AR15 down to about what an unsuppressed .22LR sounds like. A $475 suppressor isn't that much different from a $1300 suppressor sound-wise usually (though you can probably tell the difference).
Where the difference in cost lies is mostly in compactness, weight, mounting system, ability to handle semi-auto or full-auto fire, shift in zero, ease of suppressor maintenance and durability. Decide which of these parameters you need and the choice of suppressors will narrow down quickly.
Yes, like any mechanical item, a suppressor has a finite life; but they do last awhile. As an example, my Ops Inc. 16th Model is warrantied for at least 30,000 rounds, which is better than many barrels will do.
If the brake is attached via standard 1/2x28 tpi threading, then it should be no problem to find a suppressor that will attach using that threading. One problem that does occur though is that you are now attaching a 7"/20oz item to threads designed for a 1"/2oz. item. Many people do it and have no problems; but it probably isn't a great solution if you plan hard use for the rifle. The nice thing about this is that you don't need proprietary mounts for every rifle that will use the suppressor and the price of the suppressor is lower.
A corporation is perpetual. It lasts as long as the paperwork is filed and taxes are paid. Also any officer of the corporation may have access to NFA items (provided they could legally own them). A trust is cheaper to start and easier to maintain (no annual paperwork or taxes and in many states no filing fees); but it isn't perpetual and only one person may control the NFA item.
Considering that corporate law mostly depends on the state of incorporation and given the stakes involved, this is the type of question you really need to discuss with a lawyer. You can get answers on the Internet; but it won't be the guy giving you bad advice who goes to jail.
A .223 suppressor could theoretically be used on a Ruger MkII; but you have to realize that most .223 suppressors are in the 7"/22oz range and are going to be very awkward on the barrel of a Ruger MkII. I haven't used a .223 suppressor with a .22LR but I've chatted with guys who have. They say it works well for the most part but that lead from the .22LR ammo can build up inside the suppressor and cause issues.
"Find a Class 3 dealer. Fill out paperwork, send check, then wait. Basically, call your favorite gun shop, ask if they re Class 3 or if they know a place that is. The dealer will generally guide you through it."
Bad advice buddy. As others have stated, make sure your state allos NFA items before you find a C3 dealer. Also, make sure you buy a "tactical" FH to fit your tactical rifle. Sorry, that was a little tactical humor.
Bad advice buddy. As others have stated, make sure your state allos NFA items before you find a C3 dealer. Also, make sure you buy a "tactical" FH to fit your tactical rifle. Sorry, that was a little tactical humor.
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Are you for real? Don't you think a Class 3 dealer in his own state is going to know if civilians may own a suppressor in that state? Them selling to a prohibited person would be a felony!
So how is it bad advise? Is he going to find a Class 3 dealer in the back alley? Tell me. How is he going to take my advice and use it improperly if his state doesn't allow civilians to own suppressors? You spoke, now explain it.
Dan Forrester
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Since others have commented on the procedures I will recommend cans.
The AAC M4-1000 is an absolute bargain in the suppressor market. It is as far as I’m concerned (although I haven’t heard one yet) far and away the best deal going right now. I think it goes for around $500. An absolute steal.
Ops Inc makes top notch products and seem to be the military can of choice.
Surefire also makes what appears to be a near indestructible can which use dated yet proven technology.
Gemtech is a company with great customer service and excellent products. I think they have been left behind lately by innovative companies such as AAC however. They have also been in the suppressor business the longest and are the best established company.
I personally own 3 Gemtech cans. My next purchase will probably be an AAC SPR/M4 on my LMT or a BMW R1200S
Decisions decisions, Dan
The AAC M4-1000 is an absolute bargain in the suppressor market. It is as far as I’m concerned (although I haven’t heard one yet) far and away the best deal going right now. I think it goes for around $500. An absolute steal.
Ops Inc makes top notch products and seem to be the military can of choice.
Surefire also makes what appears to be a near indestructible can which use dated yet proven technology.
Gemtech is a company with great customer service and excellent products. I think they have been left behind lately by innovative companies such as AAC however. They have also been in the suppressor business the longest and are the best established company.
I personally own 3 Gemtech cans. My next purchase will probably be an AAC SPR/M4 on my LMT or a BMW R1200S
Decisions decisions, Dan
Check these guys out. Price for the 5.56 model is $535 if you also buy their quick disconnect flash hider. Of course, you have to add $200 for the Feds on to that.
http://www.yankeehillmachine.com/store/sound.html
http://www.yankeehillmachine.com/store/sound.html
I'm an NFA dealer.
I sell more Tactical Innovations cans than any other brand. The Tac16 is only $375 and it is quiet.
I sell AWC, Advanced Armament, OpsInc, YHM, and others also.
I'm not a fan of the Surefire cans. They are obnoxiously loud, and very expensive.
I recommend www.silencertests.com for performance comparisons. You pay extra for features, like light weight, or quick detach. So it all depends on what you want, and your budget.
I sell more Tactical Innovations cans than any other brand. The Tac16 is only $375 and it is quiet.
I sell AWC, Advanced Armament, OpsInc, YHM, and others also.
I'm not a fan of the Surefire cans. They are obnoxiously loud, and very expensive.
I recommend www.silencertests.com for performance comparisons. You pay extra for features, like light weight, or quick detach. So it all depends on what you want, and your budget.
GarandOwner
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The biggest draw back you will run into (if you do realize it is going to cost you about $600-$900+ for the suppressor) is that finding out if the LEO in your area will sign for you. none of the LEO's where I live in Port Orange Florida will sign unless they know you personally, regardless of your background, you can be a saint and they wont sign for you. (this includes police chief and the county sherrif) however when i wanted to convert my M1 Thompson to a SBR when I lived in Richmond Virginia, I went to the county police station, dropped off the paper work, and 2 weeks later picked it up with the police chiefs signature. So I think your first step would be to call or email your local police chief and let him know why you want a suppressor and ask if he would be willing to sign after a background check. www.advancedarmament.com check this place out they have some good suppressors
oh and you have to be at least 21
oh and you have to be at least 21
Dan Forrester
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GarandOwner: Get Quicken Willmaker and form a trust. Now you can bypass the CLEO sign off, photo, and fingerprints.
I have a CLEO who signs off but am forming a trust just to skip all the BS. It also allows me to put other people in the trust giving them access to the weapons too.
Dan
I have a CLEO who signs off but am forming a trust just to skip all the BS. It also allows me to put other people in the trust giving them access to the weapons too.
Dan
It varies greatly from state to state. Here in Utah, everybody signs. And if your local gives you any grief, the attorney general has directed our BCI to sign off on anybody in the state.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=56997&d=1177280046 That's my personal gun. The can on it is rated for full auto fire, sounds like a .22 LR, even out of a 10.5 barrel, and retails for $375.
There are a couple brands of cans that come in well under that.
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=56997&d=1177280046 That's my personal gun. The can on it is rated for full auto fire, sounds like a .22 LR, even out of a 10.5 barrel, and retails for $375.
1. Check your state on the AAC website. They have a map that will help you.
2. Use a transferrable living trust.
3. There is NO better deal out there right now than a M4-1000 the only thing that it has that is comparable to the YHM is the price.
I find that a .223 can will work OK on a .22 but it is much better to just shell out the cash for a decent .22 cheap .22 can. As mentioned by Correia, Tactical Solutions would be a great place to look, see if you can find a Tac-67.
2. Use a transferrable living trust.
3. There is NO better deal out there right now than a M4-1000 the only thing that it has that is comparable to the YHM is the price.
I find that a .223 can will work OK on a .22 but it is much better to just shell out the cash for a decent .22 cheap .22 can. As mentioned by Correia, Tactical Solutions would be a great place to look, see if you can find a Tac-67.
30 cal slob
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What, no love for AWC?
K-Romulus
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Check with the dealer, first, before coming up on the county/local PD's "gun nut" radar.
Here in MD, the state police are the ones that sign the approval form. The local PD has nothing directly to do with your paperwork. The state police here MAY notify them of your application, and probably do ask for a local records check, but that would be it for local involvement.
Here in MD, the state police are the ones that sign the approval form. The local PD has nothing directly to do with your paperwork. The state police here MAY notify them of your application, and probably do ask for a local records check, but that would be it for local involvement.
So, are there any cans that I should certainly stay away from? It seems from the responses that the $375 cans suppress the sound just as well as the $2000 cans, but the build quality and weight are what separates the cheap from the expensive. Are there any suppressors that are terrible regardless of price or have you personally experiences any problems with a particular suppressor?
Bartholomew Roberts
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That is my impression of the law as well. I don't think you can have more than one person in possession of an NFA item legally under a trust. That is one of the few advantages the corporation still has to it. If anyone has seen anything that says otherwise, I'd sure appreciate being corrected on that.
Other issues are shift in point of impact, heat, mount and gas blowback. I've only got to play with a few suppressors, so I'm far from an expert; but I haven't really seen anything yet I thought was horrible.
IANAL.
Willmaker supports individual trusts, where an individual (single or married) is the grantor and the original trustee.
Willmaker also supports shared trusts, where a husband and a wife are the grantors and the original trustees. This type of trust would allow a married couple to share an NFA item.
Willmaker doesn't support shared trusts, where a group of people are the grantors and the original trustees. An attorney could probably draw one up for you though.
+1 for yankee hill stuff. I got the QD .30 cal can and it works perfect on my 5.56 guns as well. It is just as quiet as any dedicated 5.56 can I have heard. It is a little bigger and heavier than some though. I think the versitility is worth it.- Art
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