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Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by mike., Jan 5, 2013.

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  1. mike.

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    Colt 1849 pocket 31 cal.Reproduction.Seems to have alot of different parts on it.S/N281397 on barrel/frame/trigger guard/butt.Thanks
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  2. Skinny 1950

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    Are there any markings on the top of the barrel???
    From the serial number and Colt's Patent stamp on the frame it looks a lot like an original made in 1866.
     
  3. mike.

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    From what i have been told it is a repro.Top of barrel says address col sam ???new york usa america
     
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    What does it say on the back of the trigger guard up near the frame?

    Too much glare on it when I blow up the image but it looks like ".32 cal" might try to see if any repros were so marked rather than .31 if that is what it says. I see them refered to as .32 cal on auction sites and it drives me nuts......maybe some sellers are just seeing his on their trigger guards.

    Perhaps some contries require that usable ball size be stamped somewhere and that could help ID the gun.

    Saw a Colt type at a local shop listed as a .32 but could find no caliber marking anywhere and it seemed to large to be an 1849 and as it turned out a .323 ball rolled easily down the barrel and into the chambers......after I gave it back to the sales guy after my ball expereiment they changed the tag to .36.

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  5. Jaymo

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    Well, we know that Uberti makes this model. Don't know who, if anyone other than Uberti, has made a repro of the Colt 1849 pocket revolver.
     
  6. Skinny 1950

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    Uberti did not stamp Colt on their firearms except for cartridge type,Colt strongly discouraged this via their lawyers.
    The case hardening on the frame is too good to be true unless this is a re-issue from Colt.
    The font of the stamping on the frame looks more modern than the originals.
     
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    Is there any proof marks or date code on other side of frame?
     
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    Is there any proof marks or date code on other side of frame?
     
  9. kBob

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    OK looking at one of the other pictures this morning it is clearly marked "31 CAL"

    But I blowing up the pictures got a look at the checkering on the hammer cock area .....ugly.

    Might this be a parts gun made up of various parts that were then force matched?

    It really looks like someone went nits with a polish wheel or some abrasive on the barrel and loading lever assembly. I think this might have been an attempted defarb or out right fake gone bad.

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  10. Foto Joe

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    I'm certainly not accepting this thing being an original. The finish work on the barrel and the loading lever that are visible are rough to say the least, not something that Colt would put out the door.

    From what I can see the trigger guard appears to be nickle plated (I could of couse be wrong), if it is the base metal was very poorly polished as well before plating. Also, am I the only one that thinks that the drag marks on the cylinder are in the wrong place?

    All in all it looks like a pretty good project gun and with a little elbow grease would probably clean up pretty nice. Did you buy this or is it just something you came across and if you bought it I'd be interested in how much it was worth just for grins.
     
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  12. mike.

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    foto it was a gift
    pohill that was it.i pulled it due to info i got about the gun.
    trigger guard and grip piece have been nickle plated.s/n still visible under plating
    chaw.other side is blank
     
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    At the risk of exposing my ignorance....

    I looked at the GB pics and they do show the gun a little better. I'm wondering if it's possible that this might be a 2nd Generation that somebody stripped the bluing off of. I don't have any idea if this model was even produced as a 2nd Gen.

    Also I'm still curious as to the odd location of those drag marks on the cylinder. Maybe one of you guys who knows a little more about these things can give some input on that.
     
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    There were no 6 shot .31 cal pocket models made in the 2nd Gen or Sig Series - or by any other replica manufacturer. Barrel lengths on both series was 4 inches.
     
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    barrel address.address col.sam??? new york usa america
     
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    I meant to actually see what it looks like in a photo, to be able to compare it to other ones.
     
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    cameras not that good.i looked at the picture with a mag.glassand can pick some of it out.hard enough to see just looking at it.
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    A**RESS COL*S*....*N*....*- YORK*...*CA

    with the *s being illegable and the ... being more of the same but not sure how many spaces.

    Don't laugh but it looks like it might have said "Address Colts firearms New-york US america" all caps according to what is there and the missing spaces.

    Or based on the second picture that came up while I was looking at the other....

    "ADDRESS COL SAM COLT NEW-YORK AMERICA"


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    actually after new york is usa
     
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    I am looking at an original 1849 Pocket .31 cal. 6 shot serial#234100 made in 1863 and the stamping on the top of the barrel is: ADDRESS COL. SAM COLT NEW-YORK U.S. AMERICA
    After the SAM there is a small L with a line under it.

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  23. mike.

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    skinny.sorry it says us america not usa.for sure it say address col sa new-york us america.the a was in america not usa.it's been ground on so much it's hard to read without a mag.glass
     
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    The fact that it's a six shooter would/should make it an original. The "font" for the letters and numbers also looks like the original type and the nickel plating on the trigger guard. I forget, are you going to sell it? I wouldn't.
     
  25. mike.

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    i am not a collector.i bought a pietta 1858 44 on a whim.cool pistol.i am going to convert it.if you or anyone you know might be interested in this pm me.so as not to get me wrong this was given to me.i have it here cause it's cool.
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    PS i dont think it's original
     
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