id this old muzzle loader
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it doesn't realy have that hump on the stock like in the pic.
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I don't think that it's as old as the one in the catalog cited above which was from 1887. My guess is that it's a modern reproduction that could be about 30 - 50 years old.
Are there any proof marks or maker's stamp on it anywhere?
What's the bore diameter?
It looks imported but without some identifying markings it could be from anywhere.
It doesn't look like a common or well known reproduction model.
Looking in a 1980 Gun Digest, there were several lightweight single barrel shotguns listed that aren't accompanied by photos. They were imported by Dixie, The Amoury, Century Arms and others and were inexpensive at $32 - $60. One came in 12, 20, 28 gauges, 28 inch barrel, full or half stock with the finish and features varying with importer.
Another had a 31 inch barrel in 28 gauge.
They're both listed as weighing 4.5 pounds.
That's the kind of older generic reproduction that I think it is.
Some were made in Spain.
I once had a .410 from that era that was made in Brazil.
Are there any proof marks or maker's stamp on it anywhere?
What's the bore diameter?
It looks imported but without some identifying markings it could be from anywhere.
It doesn't look like a common or well known reproduction model.
Looking in a 1980 Gun Digest, there were several lightweight single barrel shotguns listed that aren't accompanied by photos. They were imported by Dixie, The Amoury, Century Arms and others and were inexpensive at $32 - $60. One came in 12, 20, 28 gauges, 28 inch barrel, full or half stock with the finish and features varying with importer.
Another had a 31 inch barrel in 28 gauge.
They're both listed as weighing 4.5 pounds.
That's the kind of older generic reproduction that I think it is.
Some were made in Spain.
I once had a .410 from that era that was made in Brazil.
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it is very light weight. and there are no markings at all. I will measure the bore in a min. looks like a 68 caliber
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No proof marks - not imported from a civilized country.
No trade marks - maybe not made in USA, either.
I think it a kit gun or a parts gun.
The weld seam across the hammer is particularly charming.
No trade marks - maybe not made in USA, either.
I think it a kit gun or a parts gun.
The weld seam across the hammer is particularly charming.
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It has a look of "Musket" about it.
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I agree.
It could have been a "African trade musket" but it doesn't look old enough.
The welded percussion hammer could have been converted from a flint-lock hammer.
But it doesn't look old enough either.
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Still can't see what it looks like overall - need a left and right side view picture. From the look of the muzzle and butt it could be a shotgun/smoothbore. From the area around the lock plate it could be a percussion conversion from flinchlock.
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I thought that it was a shotgun because of the bead front sight but there could be some remnants of rifling seen near the muzzle.
It's hard to tell.
The nipple looks conventional but taller with a square base. But the cone is covered by the hammer. It could be an old style musket nipple.
It's hard to tell.
The nipple looks conventional but taller with a square base. But the cone is covered by the hammer. It could be an old style musket nipple.
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Take the barrel out of the stock and look at the under side near the breech plug. I suspect you will find Belgin proof marks and the bore size in milimeters. It looks like inexpensive Belgin made fowling piece made for export in the 1860s and 1870s. Every handware store in the US and Canada had a assortment of these for a couple of dollars prior to the late 1880s when machine-made shot shells became widely available at a low price.
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I think it's a hardware/feed store gun. Even after cartridge guns were common, some seed companies used these lightweight shotguns as a "premium" to help sell seed; "buy 20 sacks of corn, get a free shotgun" kinda thing. They weren't built to last, and they didn't.
It looks like it was cleaned and refinished, but it was done with a heavy hand.
It looks like it was cleaned and refinished, but it was done with a heavy hand.
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she is a wall hanger now
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it is a shotgun for sure it was made probably in the 1940's 50's or early 60's for feed and supply stores as already mentioned
more than likely a US maker back then no government agencies required fire arm manufactures to stamp any kind of ID or serial numbers. and only worth what someone is willing to pay for it
definitely looks like a wall hanger from the pics I see of it.
more than likely a US maker back then no government agencies required fire arm manufactures to stamp any kind of ID or serial numbers. and only worth what someone is willing to pay for it
definitely looks like a wall hanger from the pics I see of it.
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thanks straight line. it's going to be a wall hanger. as soon as I upload pics. I got another muzzle loader to I'd. it's jukar pistol. and it needs some parts. but can't seem to find a model number. I will up load the pics tonight
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