Ideal weapons for college students, in class.

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Bang_bang I am a forum troll and read about the first page and a half of this thread I couldn't go through all 5 page's. While some of these ideas are great "weapons". If you come against someone going postal with a pistol that is accurate up to 75 yards, do you really want a frozen water bottle/ripped soda can/ unbrella as your means of keeping your life intact?

I would just make sure you have something that can bust through some of the classroom glass windows so you can jump out and get to a safe place. Worse thing that can happen their is you break your legs.
 
CSestp, some of my courses meet in basement classroms. No windows; no jumping out. Part of the discussion has considered various physical attributes that some people have which prevent their just jumping out a window. Thanks for your thoughts, though.

Yes, the goal of getting away has been voiced throughout this thread.
 
If you come against someone going postal with a pistol that is accurate up to 75 yards, do you really want a frozen water bottle/ripped soda can/ unbrella as your means of keeping your life intact?
It's true that -- like any brainstorming session -- some ideas are better than others, this kind of discussion may save someone from an attack. The shooter scenario, like we saw at Virginia Tech, is about as likely as being hit by lightning. Even if it does happen, I don't think many of us could hit a ducking/dodging/weaving target at 75 yards, much less 50 yards, with a pistol. If I can get 15-20 yards away from a bad guy, I think my chances of survival go way up. If that nutcase at VT had been hit with a barrage of full soda cans, water bottles and books when he broke into a classroom, perhaps a few students would have been able to stop the attack sooner, or some more could have bailed out through windows.

On the other hand, I got out of two strongarm assaults/muggings while at Sonoma State University, by being armed. The first -- a pair of muggers -- was stopped when they saw the arnis sticks poking out of the top of my pack (I had a class on campus twice a week). The second was a large group of "yoots" blocking the bike path, who parted like the Red Sea when my hand closed on the heavy chain (used to lock my bike) hanging around my neck.

While I was at Berkeley -- more than 20 years ago -- a male student was raped in Boalt Hall (law building) by a guy with a knife who leaped into the room where he was studying at night. A hardback textbook and a folding knife might have saved that student from a crime that probably still haunts him.

At the small college where I worked after grad school, we were the best place in town to get assaulted, mugged or raped, because on-campus crimes were under-reported to make the place appear "safe."

I think awareness is the biggest problem for most college students. Waking a student up to their environment would be worth more for their safety than the gift of a Spyderco knife.

Part of the reason for the danger level on college campuses is that many students practice dangerous behaviors. You can see them everywhere: walking across campus late at night, head down, busy texting or talking on their cell phones or listening to their iPods. For a two-legged predator, a college student in Condition White is like a gimpy antelope that has fallen behind the herd on the Serengeti plain: prey waiting to be harvested.

Respectfully,
Dirty Bob
 
I think awareness is the biggest problem for most college students. Waking a student up to their environment would be worth more for their safety than the gift of a Spyderco knife.

Part of the reason for the danger level on college campuses is that many students practice dangerous behaviors. You can see them everywhere: walking across campus late at night, head down, busy texting or talking on their cell phones or listening to their iPods. For a two-legged predator, a college student in Condition White is like a gimpy antelope that has fallen behind the herd on the Serengeti plain: prey waiting to be harvested.

Just what SouthNarc, SM and most of the Mindset before Toolset crowd have been trying to say, but you said it very eloquently.
 
Very nicely put Dirty Bob.

Our best weapon is our brain. Everything else is just a tool,without the determination to use them, they won't save you.

I had that mindset pounded into me at a very early age. My dad was a part-time LEO as I was growing up. He didn't raise his kids to be complacent victims.

I was never allowed to start trouble,but I was expected to defend myself. Not very PC in todays society, but I teach my kids the same way.
 
If it's allowed, get a green gas or CO2 semi-auto airsoft handgun and CC that. Just make sure to either mod it to shoot really hot or get a really fast one so that it shoots in the 450+ fps range with .20 g pellets. A few of those in the face is a pretty good argument against aiming a gun at someone, and they hurt like hell. If you have a big enough clip and a fast enough airsoft gun, blinding someone isn't out of the question. Plus, easy to CC.
 
But, as one of the moderators has kindly informed me, and I agree. Airsoft guns are by no means a very useful defensive weapon, and could easily be overcome. A good knife is a more practical weapon. Still, I'd rather have an airsoft gun than a book. I have no intention of starting a discussion on whether airsoft guns could be used for self defense, because we might as well discuss the potential of cutting someone with paper in a knife fight.
 
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Smith357, I like my Zebra F-701 too!

I personally would go for the face over the neck, and repeated shallow stabs at that. I hope you mean "would make" instead of "makes" (or made!) though :neener:
 
I like to take note of where the fire extinguishers are in public buildings. I saw someone get smashed in the kisser with one almost two decades ago and that disturbing image still hasn't left my mind. Very effective. Also effective...ignoring ridiculous laws that inhibit your ability to defend yourself.

"The law of self-preservation is higher than written law." -- Thomas Jefferson
 
If it's allowed, get a green gas or CO2 semi-auto airsoft handgun and CC that. Just make sure to either mod it to shoot really hot or get a really fast one so that it shoots in the 450+ fps range with .20 g pellets. A few of those in the face is a pretty good argument against aiming a gun at someone, and they hurt like hell. If you have a big enough clip and a fast enough airsoft gun, blinding someone isn't out of the question. Plus, easy to CC.

This is, without a doubt, the stupidest and possibly most life-threateningly bad advice I have seen on this forum in a good long time.
 
I havnt read all 6 pages but at least at my school BB/Airsoft guns ARE considered firearms and carry with them the same punishment as a real weapon
 
Something else I just thought of after getting my clipboard from my truck. A metal "contractor clipboard" could do alot of damage in used as a 2 handed striking weapon... and no one would think twice about you having it.
 
After thinking, and I saw the basement part. Maybe a milspec smoke gernade. Have utterly no idea on the legallity of one of these, but I would bet that there is no difenitive rule against something of this nature. So you would be able to carry and if you got caught there would be enough gray area to not get in trouble.

They make a hell of a lot of smoke, and make a nice kinda pop/boom sound that would at least distract an attacker long enough to get some distance. Plus they got some weight behind them were you could throw it right at them. Just food for thought.

Must say this has at least got some gears turning. Great close defence "weapon" ideas in here atleast.
 
CSestp said:
After thinking, and I saw the basement part. Maybe a milspec smoke gernade.

No way in hell. I used to be a firefighter and, regardless of legal issues, I can promise that you do not want to subject yourself and your colleagues to that.

Thinking is good. In addition to thinking, we need to base our ideas on real "data" that some people have "gathered" at great personal cost. Please, folks, go back and review the thread. In real situations, there aren't any extra points for clever, artistic answers. What works, works and there are no guarantees.

And once more, mindset is the most important ally you can have.
 
Alright I'll admit I lost my thinking cap on a camping trip four years ago, but what would be so bad as a smoke naid? Not a gas one or pepper one, just a smoke one. Please educate me here.
 
A huge volume of choking, nasty smoke and a fair possibility of starting a fire in the room mean a large chance of making a bad situation worse.

There are no magic talismans. A cooler weapon like a smoke grenade is not necessarily the appropriate one. :)
 
Ohhhh, c'mon Brian, Ken. What's the problem being trapped in a cloud of toxic smoke while the burning hot device starts a secondary fire as people randomly run around without the ability to see where the exits are?

If it ain't baroque don't mess with it.
 
Easy, largest folding knife you can legally carry and OC spray. I wouldn't use either against someone with a gun unless I had no other choice though.. get to your car asap if there is a shooting, keep a cheaper rifle in your trunk. (saiga)
 
Perhaps in decending order of usefulness: Folding fast-open knife (like Gerber EZ-Out), a cane, a Wrist-Rocket and some ball bearings, a chair, heavy textbooks, your belt plus a bicycle lock, an ice pick or scratch awl, a bullwhip :cool:, etc.

(Let your imagination run wild with the "etc")
 
WE did not have folks worried about what weapons for school:

- When teachers and students smoked on campus,
-Teacher lounges.
-Bathrooms and
-Even in classrooms in colleges.

While we did not "pop a smoke" we did go snag a smoke or have a quickie.

<looks at that, decides to leave it, time were different, deal with it, be jealous, don't care, but we had a good time....>
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See the problem is, the Surgeon General is not healthy for 'Mericans. One, SG is a Gubmint employee with authority to enact stuff. That is not a good thing. Especially when it comes to total safety and well well being of the public.

Trust me, a bad guy with a gun busting into either the girls, or boys bathroom on the 3rd floor in HS, in my day...
Would not have a chance.

Smokers have skill sets , plus we carried knives to school since boy or girl was not dressed with out a knife, no matter if the girls burned bras and did not wear them, and the guys had long hair in ponytails, and had on tie -dye T shirts and bell bottom jeans.

Guns. Oh yeah, see we had guns in shop classes, messing with stocks in wood shop, and in metal shop messing with tapping for scopes and what not.

Plus, everyone I knew, carried a gun, and we did not have permission papers, just the Judge, Cops and all said 'carry a darn gun , that is what men and women do, carry a gun".

Also we had guns in cars. Heck, we hunted before and after school.
I mean a Jesus Bus, Muscle Car, or even that station wagon some student had, had a 8 track, at least one gun, and common sense stuff in the event of car trouble.

Gubmint at work ain't working. It ain't in some time.

So while we fight for rights, we deal with it.

Hey, maybe we need to get these stupid anti-smoking laws repealed first, then with door cracked open, we can get our knife and gun rights back.
 
Sm is right.
It was different then.
The year was 1966,we were kennedy children-" Bear any burden, We are all Belinerers, Stop the communist dominos, etc":Right was right and wrong got dealt with.
We graduated high school in june, by august most of us were in the army or marines. I was gonna be the best special forces medic ever. That never happened. after airborne school and medic school I found my self in the A Shau valley for a year. We never lost a firefight, We were winning when I left. What happened?
I came back to a different America. A place that had lost common sense.
The work ethic and values of hard work and self reliance was gone. The family values I knew were under attack. The goverment was involved in the smallest detail of my life. How did this happen? Or even better why did we let it?
Went to college in the 70"s, no one knew I carried a gun and knife, kept to myself, but was labled the "crazy vet" everyone should avoid. Why? because I did my duty and spoke up about things that were right and wrong. Back then a moron trying to pull a columbine, or VT, would have met some serious resistance and be dispatched in short order. Where did we lose our way?
The question is not what weapon to carry. The question is how do we get back to our core values.
 
I think a moron could have created serious damage at most college campuses during the 1960-1970's. Remember the shooter in the tower at Univ of Texas?

The constant drilling of guns are evil, knives are evil etc into kids at the elementary and kindergarten levels have had their effect on overall public opinion and rules in colleges/school. You throw in an occasional political assination, a VT or Columbine and you can see why we are where we are today.

At that time, I wouldn't have considered carrying a concealed firearm. I didn't even run into that until I was out of college and on my own. Those that carried concealed did it illegally for the most part. And the law was quite important to my young mind.
 
I carry a CRKT M16SF with me at all times, when I'm on campus in downtown Buffalo I have 2 of them on me... One in my pocket, one tucked in the top of my boot. Too many people mugged, raped, or injured around there to not carry something. University PD know I have it, and they know what I'll do with it if I'm tested, I'm not a whacko but I'll defend myself or someone else if it comes down to it. Of course, it helps that I'm 6'1 230... I don't know what I'd do if I was a little guy.
 
Of course, it helps that I'm 6'1 230... I don't know what I'd do if I was a little guy


The same thing this pushing 40 year old 5'11',155 lb "little" guy would do.

Avoid if possible, fight if you must. Size helps (and being in reasonable shape), but its the fight in the dog that counts the most.
 
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