SchindlerLotG
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Wow Radagast, that is a lot more info than I thought could be found! Thank you fo all your help!
Identity and Date of Manufacture of S&W Revolvers
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OldCavSoldier
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K-22 Masterpiece
.22LR
6"
square
adjustable sights
ser # K268487
K-22 Masterpiece
Thanks!!
.22LR
6"
square
adjustable sights
ser # K268487
K-22 Masterpiece
Thanks!!
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Radagast
Member
OldCavSoldier:
1956. Serial range for that year was K266165 to K288988.
TexAg:
Your Model 19-3 Combat magnum was manufactured in 1969. Serial rnage for that year was K848782 to K946391.
1956. Serial range for that year was K266165 to K288988.
TexAg:
Your Model 19-3 Combat magnum was manufactured in 1969. Serial rnage for that year was K848782 to K946391.
230therapy
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S&W Model 58
a) 41 Magnum
b) 4" heavy barrel
c) Square
d) 6
e) Fixed
f) N2615xx
g) Mod. 58
a) 41 Magnum
b) 4" heavy barrel
c) Square
d) 6
e) Fixed
f) N2615xx
g) Mod. 58
Radagast
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230therapy:
Your Model 58 .41 Magnum Military & Police was manufactured during the period 1974 to 1977. The last half of the N2xxxxx range was used mainly for the Models 28 & 58, so it's impossible to work out an exact year. If I had to make a guesstimate it would be late 1974 or sometime in 1975.
Your Model 58 .41 Magnum Military & Police was manufactured during the period 1974 to 1977. The last half of the N2xxxxx range was used mainly for the Models 28 & 58, so it's impossible to work out an exact year. If I had to make a guesstimate it would be late 1974 or sometime in 1975.
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Old K-38
Given to me from my Father, searching for its history. The grip seems to be oversize at the top covering the trade mark logo more than other K-38s I have seen on the internet.
a) 38
b) 6"
c) square
d) 6
e) adjustable
f) K 2151xx
g)38 S&W Special CTG on the barrel
Y 44666 8 on the crane
Thanks,
Dave
Given to me from my Father, searching for its history. The grip seems to be oversize at the top covering the trade mark logo more than other K-38s I have seen on the internet.
a) 38
b) 6"
c) square
d) 6
e) adjustable
f) K 2151xx
g)38 S&W Special CTG on the barrel
Y 44666 8 on the crane
Thanks,
Dave
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Radagast
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Dafydd:
Your K38 Masterpiece was manufactured in 1954. I'd need to see a pic of the grips to ID them. Early design target stocks were introduced in 1952. There were also the 'Coke Bottle' grips in the mid 50s that can bring big bucks from a collector.
The markings under the crane are assembly numbers, used to track parts in the factory. They were not recorded and had no meaning after the gun was assembled.
Your K38 Masterpiece was manufactured in 1954. I'd need to see a pic of the grips to ID them. Early design target stocks were introduced in 1952. There were also the 'Coke Bottle' grips in the mid 50s that can bring big bucks from a collector.
The markings under the crane are assembly numbers, used to track parts in the factory. They were not recorded and had no meaning after the gun was assembled.
Radagast
Member
Daffyd:
They aren't OEM, but are a quality product. Of the examples of aftermarket stocks in the Standard catalog of S&W Kings Gun Works comes closest, but is not exact. I suggest you repost this in the firearms research sub-forum and see if you get an ID. If they are Roper grips then they may be worth as much as the gun.
They aren't OEM, but are a quality product. Of the examples of aftermarket stocks in the Standard catalog of S&W Kings Gun Works comes closest, but is not exact. I suggest you repost this in the firearms research sub-forum and see if you get an ID. If they are Roper grips then they may be worth as much as the gun.
Thanks for the information and your time Radagast.
I have some old gun catalogs that are associated with this pistol and I will see if I can find something there. These grips seem to be handmade, but there are no marks that I can see inside.
Once again, thanks for being such an excellent resource!
Dave
I have some old gun catalogs that are associated with this pistol and I will see if I can find something there. These grips seem to be handmade, but there are no marks that I can see inside.
Once again, thanks for being such an excellent resource!
Dave
Radagast
Member
Bkeys:
Your Model 10-7 .38 Military & Police Tapered Barrel was manufactured in 1982.
Your Model 10-7 .38 Military & Police Tapered Barrel was manufactured in 1982.
Tony50ae
Member
I have a S&W M66-2 357 with 2 1/2" barrel. Serial number ALB 0 120. Thanks!
Radagast
Member
Tony50ae:
Your Model 66-2 Combat Magnum Stainless was manufactured in late 1985.
Your Model 66-2 Combat Magnum Stainless was manufactured in late 1985.
Radagast
Member
hddeluxe:
Your Model 19-3 Combat Magnum was manufactured in 1976.
Your Model 19-3 Combat Magnum was manufactured in 1976.
I have 5 I need help with ( I can't track them down in my SCSW 3rd ed)
I'm unsure about manufacture dates on these, any help would be appreciated.
all of them are 357's
all are square butts
all are adjustable sights
all are 6 shots
6" bbl
model 28-2
N242XXX
DOM (1974-1977 I think)
6" bbl
model (28-2)
N537xxx
DOM (1978-1980 I think)
4" bbl
(586-4)
CAC2xxx
4" bbl
(686-M)
AAR0xxx
6" bbl
(686 no dash)
AJV8xxx
Thanks!
I'm unsure about manufacture dates on these, any help would be appreciated.
all of them are 357's
all are square butts
all are adjustable sights
all are 6 shots
6" bbl
model 28-2
N242XXX
DOM (1974-1977 I think)
6" bbl
model (28-2)
N537xxx
DOM (1978-1980 I think)
4" bbl
(586-4)
CAC2xxx
4" bbl
(686-M)
AAR0xxx
6" bbl
(686 no dash)
AJV8xxx
Thanks!
Radagast
Member
surveyor:
The data on date ranges is in appendix two of section three.
N242xxxx is 1974-77. The SCSW notes that the last half of the N2xxxxx range was used for Model 58s and Model 28s, concurrently with the N3xxxxx (1975/76) & N4xxxxx (1974) ranges, so its a reasonable bet that your gun is from 1974 before the serial numbers split off.
N537xxx falls into the 1978-80 range. Again N5xxxxxx started in 1978 and the last half ran concurrently with N6xxxxxx through 1979 & 1980, being used for the M28 & M58. So as above its a reasonable bet your gun is from 1978 before the serial ranges split.
Your 586-4 should fall between August 1994 (BRFxxxx) & January 1996 (CAMxxxx). The 586-4 square butt was manufactured between 1993 & 1995, so '94 or '95 is the closest I can give you.
Your 686 M was manufactured in 1983, the M means it has been modified under a recall.
Your 686 no dash was manufactured in 1985. It is subject to a recall. With some magnum ammo the primer may flow back into the firing pin bushing, causing the gun to lock up. Under the recall S&W will install a new firing pin and bushing & stamp an M next to the model number under the cylinder yoke . If you wish to have your gun modified call S&W, they will pay shipping both ways.
The data on date ranges is in appendix two of section three.
N242xxxx is 1974-77. The SCSW notes that the last half of the N2xxxxx range was used for Model 58s and Model 28s, concurrently with the N3xxxxx (1975/76) & N4xxxxx (1974) ranges, so its a reasonable bet that your gun is from 1974 before the serial numbers split off.
N537xxx falls into the 1978-80 range. Again N5xxxxxx started in 1978 and the last half ran concurrently with N6xxxxxx through 1979 & 1980, being used for the M28 & M58. So as above its a reasonable bet your gun is from 1978 before the serial ranges split.
Your 586-4 should fall between August 1994 (BRFxxxx) & January 1996 (CAMxxxx). The 586-4 square butt was manufactured between 1993 & 1995, so '94 or '95 is the closest I can give you.
Your 686 M was manufactured in 1983, the M means it has been modified under a recall.
Your 686 no dash was manufactured in 1985. It is subject to a recall. With some magnum ammo the primer may flow back into the firing pin bushing, causing the gun to lock up. Under the recall S&W will install a new firing pin and bushing & stamp an M next to the model number under the cylinder yoke . If you wish to have your gun modified call S&W, they will pay shipping both ways.
Radagast,
thank you sir that clarifies things, I have used the appendix for the others I have,(mostly k frames) but I was having trouble with these.
as well as the split off dates on the 28's..
and not being able to find how the alpha numerics go as there was not a direct listing for the ones I had..
I saw the note about someplaces the numbering sequence got a little crazy..
thanks a lot for your help.
thank you sir that clarifies things, I have used the appendix for the others I have,(mostly k frames) but I was having trouble with these.
as well as the split off dates on the 28's..
and not being able to find how the alpha numerics go as there was not a direct listing for the ones I had..
I saw the note about someplaces the numbering sequence got a little crazy..
thanks a lot for your help.
langenc
Member
Model 66-no dash
4" barrel-actually the book says 4 1/8"
6 shooter
K frame-I think
2K839xx
square grip
4" barrel-actually the book says 4 1/8"
6 shooter
K frame-I think
2K839xx
square grip
Radagast
Member
langlec:
Your Model 66 Combat Magnum Stainless was manufactured in 1972.
surveyor:
Basic rule of thumb for the alpha numeric codes is that regular production run guns such as the 586, 686, etc will be in alphabetic & date sequence, so find the code ranges in the book that match your gun and you are going to have your date range. For special run guns such as the Lew Horton specials, Performance Center guns, some of the weirder scandium guns and some trial runs for guns that became regular production, such as the early 442s you will find the serial numbers don't fit the expected dates for the alpha numeric sequence. For those it's either make an educated guess or pay $50 for Mr Jinks at S&W to research your gun and send a factory letter. Hope this helps.
Your Model 66 Combat Magnum Stainless was manufactured in 1972.
surveyor:
Basic rule of thumb for the alpha numeric codes is that regular production run guns such as the 586, 686, etc will be in alphabetic & date sequence, so find the code ranges in the book that match your gun and you are going to have your date range. For special run guns such as the Lew Horton specials, Performance Center guns, some of the weirder scandium guns and some trial runs for guns that became regular production, such as the early 442s you will find the serial numbers don't fit the expected dates for the alpha numeric sequence. For those it's either make an educated guess or pay $50 for Mr Jinks at S&W to research your gun and send a factory letter. Hope this helps.
S&W revolver question
S&W Model?
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We have inherited a small caliber S&W revolver, model or caliber unknown. It is nickle plated, small frame with only the serial number on the butt plate and the Patent dates on the top strap. It has a top break latch and holds 5 rounds. I believe it is a .32 cal but not sure.
Any information about this revolver would be greatly appreciated.
Serial number 198384 (six digits with no letters)
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=149286&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1316208368
Thanks in advance.
Al
[email protected]
970.570.3193
S&W Model?
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We have inherited a small caliber S&W revolver, model or caliber unknown. It is nickle plated, small frame with only the serial number on the butt plate and the Patent dates on the top strap. It has a top break latch and holds 5 rounds. I believe it is a .32 cal but not sure.
Any information about this revolver would be greatly appreciated.
Serial number 198384 (six digits with no letters)
http://www.thehighroad.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=149286&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1316208368
Thanks in advance.
Al
[email protected]
970.570.3193
Radagast
Member
Only the thumbnail is attached, so i can't give a positive ID. It's a top break with an exposed hammer. These came in .32 S&W (NOT .32 S&W long) or .38 S&W (NOT .38 S&W Special).
Assuming .32 S&W, then you have a .32 Double Action 4th Model manufactured between 1883 & 1898 in the serial range 43406 to 209301. The trigger guard shape is correct for that model. The grips appear to be are aftermarket, if real ivory or mother of pearl they may add to the value, if they are real ivory or mother of pearl & have a S&W medallion they will add to the value as these were a special order item.
This is a black powder only gun. Don't shoot modern factory ammo through it unless you want to see it wear out quickly. Although modern ammo is set to the same pressures as the old black powder loads, smokeless powder has a much faster pressure peak, putting extra strain on the steel (iron really) of the gun.
It also lacks any form of hammer block safety, so treat it as a four shooter, lewaving the chamber under the hammer empty.
If the caliber is ,38 S&W then it is a .38 Double Action 3rd Model manufactured between 1884 & 1895. The issues with black powder & drop safet are the same.
Both models are classified as antiques by the Federal government as they were made before 1998.
Assuming .32 S&W, then you have a .32 Double Action 4th Model manufactured between 1883 & 1898 in the serial range 43406 to 209301. The trigger guard shape is correct for that model. The grips appear to be are aftermarket, if real ivory or mother of pearl they may add to the value, if they are real ivory or mother of pearl & have a S&W medallion they will add to the value as these were a special order item.
This is a black powder only gun. Don't shoot modern factory ammo through it unless you want to see it wear out quickly. Although modern ammo is set to the same pressures as the old black powder loads, smokeless powder has a much faster pressure peak, putting extra strain on the steel (iron really) of the gun.
It also lacks any form of hammer block safety, so treat it as a four shooter, lewaving the chamber under the hammer empty.
If the caliber is ,38 S&W then it is a .38 Double Action 3rd Model manufactured between 1884 & 1895. The issues with black powder & drop safet are the same.
Both models are classified as antiques by the Federal government as they were made before 1998.
