IDPA Resignation

[Taipei Personality]

Sent to IDPA HQ this morning:

I have reviewed the new rule book and it is evident that a great deal of thought went into it. It is just as evident, however, that not as much thought went into how the rules would adversely affect the membership. Because of the rule change my daily carry equipment, which I also use in matches, is no longer IDPA approved. I am now in the position that I must buy new equipment specifically for competition if I wish to continue shooting IDPA matches, which I am unwilling to do.



Additionally, although not affecting me personally, the exclusion of the Uncle Mike’s kydex holster, by name, will affect a great many members. Fully half of the new shooters who join our local matches use these holsters. This exclusion will no doubt have a chilling affect on the growth of IDPA.



In light of these facts I have no choice but to immediately resign my membership in IDPA and request that the prorated amount of my yearly membership fee be refunded.

I cannot, in good conscience, support IDPA any longer.

 

[MoNsTeR]

What are the goals of Defensive Pistol?
...
* To offer a practical shooting sport that is responsive to the shooters and sponsors, with unprecedented stability of equipment rules.

Good job, guys

Excluding the Uncle Mike's holsters is the most asinine equipment rule I've ever heard. If someone had told me they were doing that I would have laughed and said, "yeah, right." Joke's on me I guess.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

Seems as if IDPA is losing it's way more and more.

 

[kotengu]

This is the first I've heard of this - was there a safety concern or something (Uncle Mike's not reliably or safely holding pistols), or is IDPA just run by the more expensive holster makers?

I can see disallowing a clip-draw..........

 

[mpthole]

You guys aren't the only ones... one of our guys that was going to take over as Match Director at one of the local clubs just said (essentially) p!$$ on it - its no longer worth the hassles for him.

This really sucks. He just made master the past year and is a really great guy.

 

[CZ52GUY]

I cannot, in good conscience, support IDPA any longer.

I respect your decision. If they don't back away from this nonsense in the coming weeks, I expect I may very well do the same.

Stay safe,

CZ52'

 

[Brian Williams]

was there a safety concern or something (Uncle Mike's not reliably or safely holding pistols), or is IDPA just run by the more expensive holster makers?

On reading the rule book it disallows the holster because it(my paraphrase} " holds the gun to far away from the persons body and would not be used as a CCW Holster because it would cause the gun to stick out to much"

IDoPleaseAutoloaders has made a good change but did not think it thru completely

 

[azrael]

Well that decision sucks...I handled the UM kydex rig and found it to be a servicible (and CHEAP!) alternative to leather...Bummer that Bill and da "Boy's" dont agree...Are Fobus holster's allowed??

 

[The Rabbi]

Whenever there's a rule change someone's gotta grouse. Get over it.

 

[Taipei Personality]

That's the beauty of the free market; I don't have to "get over it" if I choose not to. I get to decide who does, and who does not, get my disposable income. If the rule changes do not bother you, or if you are unprincipled enough to choose to pretend that they don't, then you are in a good position with respect to IDPA. I, however, am not.

As I wrote in answer to a query on another board:

Truthfully, it wouldn't take a whole lot to get my gear "legal" and I have the funds to do it. But you know how many new shooters we get at our little match and the other matches in the area, and you know how many of those new guys show up with Uncle Mike's kydex holsters. I don't want to have to tell a new shooter, who just spent all of the disposable income he had for that week on his equipment, that his $15 UM holster isn't allowed but all he has to do is buy a new $75 - $100 leather pancake holster. Imagine if you still had your 625 and you suddenly weren't able to compete with it. It's illegal too, you know, under the new rules.

Two of the MDs locally have already said that they won't enforce the new rules at their local matches, but for me it's a matter of principle. I always try to follow the LGB when I SO and MD and I don't want to have to compromise and follow some rules, but not others. It's just a game and there are others out there.

 

[The Rabbi]

That's the beauty of the free market; I don't have to "get over it" if I choose not to. I get to decide who does, and who does not, get my disposable income. If the rule changes do not bother you, or if you are unprincipled enough to choose to pretend that they don't, then you are in a good position with respect to IDPA. I, however, am not.

You are right. There is no law forcing you to join IDPA or shoot their matches. If you have a specific complaint then I suggest you address IDPA headquarters directly. If you arent happy to the point that it isnt worth it to you to shoot there anymore, then get out. But slinging your gripes over a holster rule all over the 'Net is childish and petty.

 

[OF]

It's just a discussion, Rabbi. He's entitled to discuss it. If you don't want to discuss it, don't read the thread.

This is an issue that is affecting alot of people and needs to be discussed.

- Gabe

 

[The Rabbi]

This is an issue that is affecting alot of people and needs to be discussed.

No, he's not "discussing" it. He's griping, pissing, and moaning and making out that people who arent are sell-outs and frauds. If you dont like a specific rule, fine. Mention it. he even says there are other avenues to deal with the new rules but his highandmighty principles wont allow him to sully himself by taking advantage of them. Gimme a break.
I dont like every single rule in IDPA either. No one does. Get a life.

 

[Navy joe]

Ah, the evolution of IDPA, neatly outlined in my new sig line, continues. I will continue to go to my excellent local club, but so much for going to state and regional sanctioned matches which was in my future practical shooting plans.

 

[CZ52GUY]

I'm with Gabe, this is worth discussing.

Taipei, I'm with you buddy and I may very well join you by voting with my feet.

Stay Safe,

CZ52'

 

[Taipei Personality]

No, he's not "discussing" it. He's griping, pissing, and moaning and making out that people who arent are sell-outs and frauds. If you dont like a specific rule, fine. Mention it. he even says there are other avenues to deal with the new rules but his highandmighty principles wont allow him to sully himself by taking advantage of them. Gimme a break.
I dont like every single rule in IDPA either. No one does. Get a life.

Rabbi - I don't understand why you are so defensive. If I have offended you in some way I apologize. I have not, knowingly, "made out" those who don't agree with me to be sell-outs and frauds and, frankly, you interpreting it that way is more of a reflection of your feelings on the subject than it is mine.

I certainly don't expect everyone to agree with, or even understand my "highandmighty" principles. Each individual must identify their own stress point. Mine has been reached. If you would like to continue a civil discussion I would be pleased to read it.

 

[The Rabbi]

If the rule changes do not bother you, or if you are unprincipled enough to choose to pretend that they don't, then you are in a good position with respect to IDPA.

Here you interject the idea that some people are "unprincipled" if they dont agree with the new rules but go along with them.

Two of the MDs locally have already said that they won't enforce the new rules at their local matches, but for me it's a matter of principle.

And here you say that even though there is a perfectly legitimate avenue to accomodate new shooters you wont take it because of your principles.

I suspect a lot of clubs dont enforce all rules all the time. At my club when the weather gets above 90 we have the "90-degree rule" that we discard cover garments (merely hot and humid will do it as well). There is no "90 degree rule" in the official IDPA rulebook but we do that so people wont swelter. The idea is to have fun.
Again, it seems to me you are merely looking for a way to leave IDPA and the new rules are a convenient avenue. If so, fine. You are entitled. But you are trying to stir up animosity to IDPA in the process. That is not "discussion."

 

[cordex]

Rabbi,
I'm not sure what the beef is here.

If you have a specific complaint then I suggest you address IDPA headquarters directly.

The letter Taipei posted was sent to IDPA HQ.

If you arent happy to the point that it isnt worth it to you to shoot there anymore, then get out.

He did.

If you dont like a specific rule, fine. Mention it.

That's exactly what he did, and exactly what you jumped all over him for.

He seems to be doing just what you want him to do, except he's not doing it entirely silently. But I'm not seeing why he should keep his mouth shut just because you disagree with him. He brought up his concerns for public discussion (kind of fitting for a discussion forum, y'know?), and did so in a downright calm and mature fashion. Immediately you start ragging on him for griping and pissing and moaning - but I'm not convinced that he's the one doing that here.

It's been a long time since I've been to an IDPA match, and I'm interested in hearing about this new rule change (first I've heard of it personally). I'm interested in learning what changes were made, the reasons they were made and the reasons some people don't like it. Can't very well learn much if no one who disagrees with you is allowed to discuss it, now can I?

 

[Jeeper]

Taipai,

Take you equipment to the dark side and shoot USPSA. It is more fun and challenging anyway. Plus there is much more talent over here also.

Flame suit on.....

 

[Taipei Personality]

Here you interject the idea that some people are "unprincipled" if they dont agree with the new rules but go along with them.

Ah, I see where you misinterpreted. It's a singular "you", as in you, Rabbi, not you, some people. I assumed you are okay with the new rules, but perhaps that was not a correct assumption.

And here you say that even though there is a perfectly legitimate avenue to accomodate new shooters you wont take it because of your principles.

This is where we will have to agree to disagree. I do not selectively apply the rules when I MD and SO and I don't care for it when others do. In my experience, it causes a great deal of heartburn among the paying shooters.

I suspect a lot of clubs dont enforce all rules all the time. At my club when the weather gets above 90 we have the "90-degree rule" that we discard cover garments (merely hot and humid will do it as well). There is no "90 degree rule" in the official IDPA rulebook but we do that so people wont swelter. The idea is to have fun.

How you choose to run your club has no bearing on me.

Again, it seems to me you are merely looking for a way to leave IDPA and the new rules are a convenient avenue. If so, fine. You are entitled. But you are trying to stir up animosity to IDPA in the process. That is not "discussion."

A great deal of supposition on your part, all of which is incorrect.

 

[The Rabbi]

I can see the discussion is rapidly deteriorating.
Good luck wherever you end up.

 

[Cazach]

I see a lot more IDPA "Type" matches in the near future. Where I shoot, they follow the safety, scoring and the COF requirements but that is about it. Everybody has a great time and new shooters are there often and welcomed with whatever gear they have as long as it is safe.

When it's time for a regional or a state, everyone gets out their little books and we go through all the rules.

This is business 101: The customer defines value. Ergo you better give the customers what they want or you and your buddies might be the only guys playing your game.

 

[Browns Fan]

Just go ahead and wear your UM holster. What are they gonna do, inspect all the kydex to make sure that none are UM? What a crock! My club also loosely applies the rules (except in regards to safety). This one will be in the very loose category.

 

[Thumper]

I dont like every single rule in IDPA either. No one does. Get a life.

I don't know what your problem is, Rabbi, but he has every right to address a gun orgs perceived problems with gun owners.

That's a large part of what this site's about.

The thread deterioration began and ended with you. Take some responsibility.

 

[Correia]

Moderator Hat On:

And I don't have to do that very much in Competition Shooting. Guys chill out! All of the personal huff and puff is done, here, now!

This is a good thing to discuss, just no need for us to get all up in each other's faces about it.

I have not spoken with my club's other officers yet. I'm guessing that we will ignore the Uncle Mike's rule for everything but State. We only shoot 6 IDPA matches a year anyway, with all of our other matches being "fun" shoots.