IDPA Resignation

[baker1425]

IT ain't just UM

I bought a Comp-tac locking paddle for ESP/CDP to use with the 9mm and 45 springfields. Great holster, which is now used, and is illegal because of belt spacing.

All of the griping aside, how is the IDPA BoD qualified to dictate the best tactics or equipment selection? If you're going to carry it CCW, shouldn't you be able to train and compete with the same equipment and find out the shortcomings for yourself?

I wonder, when many people go to the IWB holsters and don't practice with them will sustain what we call the 'Forrest Gump'.

Forcing people to change for changes sake, or to make the program easier to administer, seems contrary to the goals that I read about when I joined.

I won't vent about quitting, or any of that other stuff. I joined IDPA for the purpose of improving my survival skills, and fellowship with other gun nuts. I can always go shoot production class, although that club is 80 miles away.

IDPA matches are the only real training that many can afford. Having it suddenly increase in cost to replace equipment will affect it.

 

[faustulus]

Most of the clubs I have seen, follow the rules the best they can. But silly things are ignored (in the old book My VIP wasn't allowed because it had a bull barrel, but I could shoot it at my local club no problem.) IDPA-type (as one poster called it seems to be the rule not the exception) I think the only long-term solution is to make IDPA more democratic, i.e. elect board memebers. But I don't see it happening. Luckily Production IPSC is just as good. (and you can use Uncle Mikes)
On another note, I was P@#! to learn my Bladetech paddle is no longer legal. Oh well. I let my membership lapse for this very reason.

 

[Taipei Personality]

IDPA matches are the only real training that many can afford. Having it suddenly increase in cost to replace equipment will affect it.

Please consider that IDPA is not training. It can be a valid venue to practice what you've learned in training, as long as you ignore the non-tactical rules, and a good place to figure out what works for you and what doesn't, as long as you ignore the equipment rules, but it is not training. If you don't understand which non-tactical rules and procedures I'm talking about, and you view IDPA procedures as the proper way to win a gun fight, please seek out competent training.

 

[OF]

Listen to what Taipei says: please don't confuse IDPA competiton with training. Alot of what goes on at matches is designed the way it is due to match constraints or concerns and is not applicable to real-life, and could be very dangerous.

Practical shooting should be looked as a training aid, not actual training. ('Training' = 'instruction' as we're using it, just to be sure we're not just confusing terms).

- Gabe

 

[HankB]

IDPA is not training . . . the rules contain silly things which can get you killed on the street.

For example, the so called "tactical" reload and "legal" IDPA reloads. This topic has been beaten to death previously, but I notice that in the new rule book, if the course calls for a tactical reload at some point and you only have one round left in the pistol (in chamber, mag empty) the rules require that you retain the empty magazine after you reload.

 

[Round Gun Shooter]

625 and 610 shooters

I weighed my 625 and my 610 on a postal scale. Scale is an accurate calibrated scale at a local post office.

625 model of 1989 full underlug 3 7/8 barrel fluted cylinder weighed 40.8oz That makes the new limit.

610 with unfluted cylinder full underlug 3 7/8 barrel weighed 43.5oz Under rules as downloaded it doesn't make it.

Regards,

RGS

5 division classified and probably spending more time in USPSA revolver division this year.

 

[HankB]

I weighed my 625 and my 610 on a postal scale. Scale is an accurate calibrated scale at a local post office.

Hmmm . . . bringing a firearm into a Federal facility to weigh it . . . doesn't sound like such a good idea.

 

[The Rabbi]

Hmmm . . . bringing a firearm into a Federal facility to weigh it . . . doesn't sound like such a good idea.

He didnt say he did that. You can find Postal scales in many places, usually offices, outside of the PO.
This btw was the method IDPA HQ used and the result was slightly less than what Smith posted on its website for the same guns, causing the present confusion. I think they will rectify that shortly.

 

[HankB]

Rabbi, you didn't notice the boldface type when I quoted him?

Let's try caps . . . and color . . . he said it was an accurate calibrated scale . . . here it comes . . . wait for it . . .

. . . AT A LOCAL POST OFFICE

He didn't write it was at some office . . .

He didn't write it was at some other place outside of a post office . . .

He wrote it was . . . AT A LOCAL POST OFFICE :banghead:

 

[mpthole]

I swear, you guys could argue about the color of snow...

 

[HankB]

The color of snow?

All I remember about the color of snow from my days up in the People's Republic of Minnesota was you don't eat it if it's yellow.

 

[Tacblack]

They didn't really change anything I didn't like about IDPA and made some more things LOL.

Like most people said which I think is just great, our club doesn't follow all the rules. Only at state matchs, well is that not kinda of silly. The best revenge is that all over America people shoot and follow the rules more the way they should be, I hope it keeps bill wilson awake at night LOL.

I thought the ESR would be cool. Turned up the power factor I don't really see why (oh ya he doesn't like moon clip guns), but I can live with it. If its ESR shouldn't the weight limit be different any way. He made the perfect gun for ESR illegal, the Smith 627 8-shot 357. This gun would be a blast in this class, but he put the same SSR 4" limit on it (its a 5" gun). Its a little heavy but after cutting off an inch should make wieght. Oh well maybe I will get one and just shoot at my local clubs Im not a idpa member any more either.

Oh that reminds me the new book says you can't keep shooting at local matchs unless you join idpa, what's that about..........greed.

 

[OrvilleYertleson]

My first holster was that good old UM kydex paddle holster, which is what I wore to my first IDPA shoot. I have something better now, that is more concealable, but I used the Uncle Mikes though my CCW class, and long enough to figure out what holster was most appropriate for my needs before I spent a lot of money on a nicer one.

If I had not had that paddle holster, I probably would have wasted a hundred bucks on a nice SOB holster (which is how I wanted to carry at first) before realizing how impractical it would be for me with my particular body type and weapon choice.

I have introduced several friends to IDPA matches, loaning them my weapon and, yes, my UM kydex holster. I guess I can't do that anymore.

 

[Powderman]

Imagine if you still had your 625 and you suddenly weren't able to compete with it.

That's what just happened in Conventional Pistol (Bullseye), too.

With regard to the Distinguished Revolver certification, a new rule change says, "must be able to fire .38 Special 158 grain LRN or LSWC", when outlining what revolvers may be used. Last year, revolvers chambered for .38 Special, .45 ACP or .45 Colt were allowed. This caused many people (including me) to spend money on SW 625's. Now, they cannot be used. Go figure.

 

[OrvilleYertleson]

Argghh

After reading the new rules, it looks like my current carry holster may be illegal as well.

I am using a FIST K-1 thin kydex IWB holster. It is an adjustable can't holster, so it looks like it is arbitrarily excluded from use even though it is IWB and setup for a rearward cant, and slow to draw from since it is pressed up against my body.

It's a shame the best CCW holster I have ever seen is now illegal because I am supposed to only use holsters designed for CCW.

 

[GPappy]

I have been an IDPA SO for the last 3 years and have participated in the last 3 state matches taking plaques in 2 of the 3. I have been a big supporter of IDPA and didn't even gripe when they made my 5" 625 illegal, I just purchased a 4" 625 (actually 3) and kept going. Enough is enough. I can support the idea of ESR, the power factor issue doesn't even bother me, it is the inconsistency of saying we need ESR because moon clips are too much of an advantage and then allowing 8 shot revolvers in ESR. No advantage to one or two gun models there eh? And all the holsters that I have (I shot all 4 divisons) which were legal are no longer allowed. I will not be renewing my membership and will be shooting local matches as an unclassified shooter only. At least that way I don't have to buy all new holsters, moon clip holders, and mag pouches to continue having fun. IPSC is starting to look like more fun every day.

 

[The Rabbi]

I will not be renewing my membership and will be shooting local matches as an unclassified shooter only.

Depending on how much your local club wants to enforce rules you wouldnt' be able to do this since IDPA rules only allow one shoot without joining IDPA.

 

[Grump]

Well, IDPA seems to have strayed as are from the "D" as IPSC has strayed from the "P".

Bill Wilson wants it to be a CCW club. Fine. Then be honest about it and just say so, instead of disguising it in silly rules. Some even have NO bearing, like stowing an EMPTY mag.

It's all doctrine and dogma now, designed for elitist CCW prima-donnas, it ignores the realities of defensively deploying 6-inch barrel house revolvers which are sometimes the ONLY pistol a new shooter has, it ignores the police report realities that GSW victims (including good guys) frequently know trouble is brewing and are sitting at home or in a car with a loaded and unholstered handgun (yeah, I read DiMaio's book when it FIRST came out), and it artificially excludes a common CCW mode called "pocket carry".

"Defensive" use of the pistol counts only if you do it "his" way with firearms he approves of (who gives a rat's fanny about coned barrels--they've been around for 20+ years and those guns don't seem any "more accurate" to me), carried in ways "he" approves. Open carry on BLM land can't possibly lead to defensive use of a handgun now, could it? After all the mere presence of your firearm is a powerful deterrent to wrong-doers.

:banghead: Well, there are quite a few graves carrying bushwhacked uniformed police officers to prove that idea's a false conclusion when carried (pun intended) to the IDPA extreme.

 

[GPappy]

Depending on how much your local club wants to enforce rules you wouldnt' be able to do this since IDPA rules only allow one shoot without joining IDPA.

Rabbi,

You would be surprised how many clubs do not fill all their shooting slots and are willing to allow non IDPA members to shoot. As long as they are not shooting for ribbons, IDPA will have a hard time telling a private club that they cannot allow non IDPA members to shoot at their public events. Enforcement of that "rule" will drive more clubs out of IDPA than have already left.

 

[FunGunner]

I started shooting IDPA matches a little less than a year ago, and find that while the matches are fun and making new friends is great, some aspects still bother me. I don't use a cool shoot me vest, or a plastic hip holster, or a nine hundred dollar wonder gun. I use a fifty cent denim shirt that I picked up at a goodwill clothing center, worn out leather inside the waist band holster I found at a gun show for five bucks, and a beat Norinco 1911. I hear “you need to get yourself a Blade Techâ€, “Anything better than that jam O maticâ€, or “RR5.1 vest is the way to go†all the time. I’m not sounding off about using cheap gear, but I have seen a few shooters come to a match only once, and never come back after hearing some of these same comments. These new rules will only hurt new shooters thinking that they can’t come with what they have, as well disgruntle those that have invested so much into this sport. IDPA has lost something I think. I haven’t been in it long enough to say what it is, but after reading the history of IDPA and talking to the old timers, it needs to get it back or it will fall to the wayside like the XFL.

 

[theCZ]

Like other posters have said, us USPSA guys welcome you anytime you feel like switching.

 

[atek3]

Is my cendex nighthawk banned? (kydex OWB belt holster)
if so, forget IDPA.

Reminds of a quote from my Magic: TG days (about 10 years ago)..."WoTC (the rule makers) ban everything until Necro dominates, then they ban Necro." Basically summing up the capricious nature of the rule makers, sounds like IDPA to me.

atek3

 

[MoNsTeR]

LOL, the Magic: The Gathering analogy is perfect.

 

[Andrew Rothman]

From the first page of the rule book:

The unique facet of this sport is that it is geared toward the new or
average shooter. The founders developed the sport so that practical gear
and practical guns may be used competitively. An interested person can
spend a minimal amount on equipment and still be competitive.
The main goal is to test the skill and ability of the individual, not
equipment or gamesmanship. “Competition only†equipment is not
permitted in this sport.

and later:

V. Offer a practical shooting sport responsive to the
shooters and sponsors, with unprecedented stability of
equipment rules.

Ha!

 

[gigmike]

I just shot my first match today. Luckily all my gear is legal for old and new rules. However, there was an announcement before the match that Bill Wilson had posted to idpa.org last night that the new rules were not to be in use as of yet. To be continued, apparently...