If a UBC passes, would you continue to buy or stop?

[mr.scott]

We're all on a list already.
Bought a gun from an FFL? You're on a list if they called in a check. In a state that requires background check to get a conceal carry license? On a list.
Haven't done either and bought all your guns cash from individuals? Unless you don't use the Internet to look at guns of any kind. You are on a list the government is keeping.

 

[ngnrd]

What did Canadians do when they were burdened with similar laws?

 

[joeschmoe]

We're all on a list already.
Bought a gun from an FFL? You're on a list if they called in a check. In a state that requires background check to get a conceal carry license? On a list.
Haven't done either and bought all your guns cash from individuals? Unless you don't use the Internet to look at guns of any kind. You are on a list the government is keeping.

Illegally gained info cannot be used to obtain a warrant or charges. "Fruit from the poisoned tree" principle in law. It is currently illegal for the government to keep NICS records. If they do anyway, they cannot use it to obtain search warrants.

Fear of Big Brother's supposed omnipotence is not a reason to submit to Big Brother. Especially when we know how incompetent Big Brother really is.

 

[itsa pain]

gun owners seem to be their worst enemy besides the antis. gun owners are buying everything related to guns. I cant even get a turret plate for my lee press. will some one come on and say oh they are guys buying it to sell at inflated price. bull. they are gun owners freaking out and hoarding making it impossible to continue shooting. there is no gun law that gun owners think is bad and in 40-50 years no one will be allowed to own a gun

 

[mcdonl]

Illegally gained info cannot be used to obtain a warrant or charges. "Fruit from the poisoned tree" principle in law. It is currently illegal for the government to keep NICS records. If they do anyway, they cannot use it to obtain search warrants.

Fear of Big Brother's supposed omnipotence is not a reason to submit to Big Brother. Especially when we know how incompetent Big Brother really is.

This is what I see as the big difference... If I, or one of my guns commit a crime then they can get the information from the FFL the way the law is today (As I understand it....) but I am not on a list. Or, as you indicated one that can legally be used.

But... with a UBC I could be on a list that they could use anyway they see fit by sneaky laws and such.

 

[hso]

"My point is, if a UBC passes that would allow a record of what I own to be stored in a database and easily accessible by the FBI without needing to subpoena the FFL with due cause..."

Current law prohibits that and we're therefore 2 giant steps away from the situation you propose.

Also, there are states now with universal background check requirements and that hasn't stopped people buying firearms. Matter of fact, there are places with registration that haven't stopped people buying firearms.

 

[PabloJ]

This one is hard for me, even while typing the subject I would never want to stop fighting the fight... but... at the same time I have spent a lot of money over a long period of time with the goal of being able to say at any given time -



My point is, if a UBC passes that would allow a record of what I own to be stored in a database and easily accessible by the FBI without needing to subpoena the FFL with due cause than I think I would rather spend my money on ammo, supplies and equipment and NOT be on any of their registries at all.

Am I alone in this?

There is little future to collecting guns. Downsize like me and find other hobby or hobbies.
Now is good time to sell.

 

[leadaddict]

There is little future to collecting guns. Downsize like me and find other hobby or hobbies.

AHHHHHH!!!!! The terrorists have won! lol

 

[Old Shooter]

It seems to me that most people assume that a UBC will be the same as the NICS check we do now at gun shops or the form 4473.

Suppose this background check evolves (Demo-speak for flip-flop) into something totaly different.

Credit check, work history, length of time at current residence, etc, etc.

To me, background check says more than instant check.

But that is just me and my wife says I was wrong once before but I really don't remember when.

 

[itsa pain]

I think pablo is right unless gun owners are ready to actually fight with their guns as the founding fathers said should be done when govt gets oppressive there is no future in it because it seems gun owners will go along with any laws they pass against them until you have to turn them in

 

[PabloJ]

I won having precise and well organized records of all transactions. I'm very close to owning just one gun. Now I feel unburdened free to pursue other things I enjoy doing.

 

[SabbathWolf]

I will keep buying anyways.
I think everybody should.
We need to make that list so big that it scares the hell out of them.

 

[USAF_Vet]

My handgun is registered with the state. I am registered with the state to carry it concealed.

Thousands of guns are registered with the federal government via the NFA. They have not been rounded up and confiscated, and most of them would be considered to be much more dangerous that anything I own.

I'll continue to buy firearms, ammo and accessories, so that I might be better prepared to resist if they do come. But I seriously doubt my pitiful collection will be very high on their list, giving me enough time to immigrate to the Republic of Texas before they get around to me.

 

[Godsgunman]

Option 3 will be what I will choose. Enough said.

 

[evan price]

Didn't work in Canada. Won't work here. Not going to really care about an unconstitutional law.

 

[Savage99]

What does it mean? UPC PBC???

Is UBC an abreviation for something?

 

[SabbathWolf]

Universal Background Checks

 

[Jason_W]

We sure can expend a lot of energy worrying about every possible "what if" scenario.

 

[Ranger Roberts]

Option 3

 

[mrvco]

Point being is that the data exists and it is stored somewhere. While it may not be "legal" to use the data currently, changing the rules in the name of "national security" (or whatever) so it may be "used" is a mere formality that can occur without any public disclosure.

Sure, you (or your family) may get your day in court, but that will be after the fact.

Not that fighting off UBC legislation isn't a worthy effort of course.

 

[hso]

Point being is that the data exists and it is stored somewhere.

No, it isn't. The bound books at FFLs don't constitute data yet and the objective is to make sure the laws stay in place for NICS data to be purged quickly. If you live in a state with registration, all sorts of information about you and your firearms is stored in a database. For the majority of us living in states where none of that information resides in a database, we will fight to retain our privacy.

 

[Walkalong]

Can't run and hide. Business as usual. Fight it all the way until and hope it doesn't happen, but if it does, I'll still buy what I want.

 

[berettaprofessor]

NOT registering. I've got plenty of arms and, like others, will collect ammo for awhile, but I'd already decided that, UBC or not. Of course, if they look for sources, in a few years, they'll realize that nothing is coming in but several are going out and one could conclude that there's a stash somewhere.

It is currently illegal for the government to keep NICS records. If they do anyway, they cannot use it to obtain search warrants.

No, no search warrants based on the data, but the search warrant could be done on the reported threat that some low-life snitch was prepared to swear too....identify by illegal NICS data, surveillance, gather info, then get the search warrant.

 

[wally]

No point worrying about me being is some kind of "registry" as I'm already there for having SBRs, sliencers, and full auto.

If we are going to lose on this issue, we need to try and turn it into an opportunity for an individual, non-comercial FFL (like a C&R but for all guns) and/or sneak in re-opening of the machine gun registry.

 

[ball3006]

The only gun I would think of buying is another carry pistol, and that would be from a dealer so no change here. The govt is already logging all the guns already.....chris3