cidirkona
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Hey Larry, if you need a new place for that pitbull, I'm sure I can dig one. 
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SARGIRL, I am with everyone else here when I say that I am glad that you are going to be alright and I am sorry that you had to kill your friend's dog. Good quick thinking combined with preparedness saved the day.
As for Chris in VA's comment:
"Maryland banned pit bulls, now I know why."
I'm suprised that nobody else chimed in on that one. First of all, did they really ban pitbulls? More importantly, when has banning something made people safer? Or, on the other hand, maybe MD has to ban pitbulls since they prevent people from defending themselves.
take care,
JOe
As for Chris in VA's comment:
"Maryland banned pit bulls, now I know why."
I'm suprised that nobody else chimed in on that one. First of all, did they really ban pitbulls? More importantly, when has banning something made people safer? Or, on the other hand, maybe MD has to ban pitbulls since they prevent people from defending themselves.
take care,
JOe
cidirkona
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He didn't say it made them safer, just that he had a conclusion on why they decided to ban them.
-Colin
Gordon Fink
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Joe, see my posts in other threads. Out of respect for sargirl’s pain, I think we should let it go on this one.
~G. Fink
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Joe, see my posts in other threads. Out of respect for sargirl’s pain, I think we should let it go on this one.
~G. Fink Can do. Sorry if it seemed that I was starting to flame. That was not my intention. Apologies especially to sargirl.
Joe
~G. Fink Can do. Sorry if it seemed that I was starting to flame. That was not my intention. Apologies especially to sargirl.
Joe
Travis McGee
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Wow, what a story! Glad you were armed, sorry you were attacked!
Commissar Gribb
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wow! I didnt know cute girls carried concealed!
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"I think the people asking for more details are wanting to know the make and model of your weapon, caliber, number of shots fired, ammunition type and that sort of thing. Also bullet type, shot placement, and how the shots were fired. Ie: were all shots fired from contact, were they aimed, using the sights, a combination of both?"
In response to that nicely worded request:
* I have a P239 Sig Sauer. It usually loaded with standard 155 gr. Remington 40 S&W centerfire ammo. Nothing fancy.
* It is usually carried in my purse, or locked in a case in the trunk of my car, but I had been sticking it in my jacket pocket when I visited; the area was not the greatest. Only two shots were fired, the 1st without sighting to center mass; the 2nd to the chest. The 1st landed in the upper chest/shoulder. The 2nd was just to make sure. Lots of mess. No hearing for a while.
*Some defensive movements with arms and elbow were made to get her to back off & away. She did'nt have a good grip in the initial lunge as I had moved & she had missed my neck; that's why my face got it.
*In my eyes, it was a messy situation all around; it was impossible to stay calm. Most of what I did to defend myself came from muscle memory, and not cool, calm, rational thought. It has really made me re-think training; NOTHING I have done in the past had really prepared me for this unexpected assault. That dog was the last creature I expected to attack me. So I'm going back to square one again.
"I know it is morbid..."
Yup. I see how y'all are around here...always did want to be a part of the addams family. guess I'll stick around for a while.
See ya.
In response to that nicely worded request:
* I have a P239 Sig Sauer. It usually loaded with standard 155 gr. Remington 40 S&W centerfire ammo. Nothing fancy.
* It is usually carried in my purse, or locked in a case in the trunk of my car, but I had been sticking it in my jacket pocket when I visited; the area was not the greatest. Only two shots were fired, the 1st without sighting to center mass; the 2nd to the chest. The 1st landed in the upper chest/shoulder. The 2nd was just to make sure. Lots of mess. No hearing for a while.
*Some defensive movements with arms and elbow were made to get her to back off & away. She did'nt have a good grip in the initial lunge as I had moved & she had missed my neck; that's why my face got it.
*In my eyes, it was a messy situation all around; it was impossible to stay calm. Most of what I did to defend myself came from muscle memory, and not cool, calm, rational thought. It has really made me re-think training; NOTHING I have done in the past had really prepared me for this unexpected assault. That dog was the last creature I expected to attack me. So I'm going back to square one again.
"I know it is morbid..."
Yup. I see how y'all are around here...always did want to be a part of the addams family. guess I'll stick around for a while.
See ya.
they change
I watched a TV program on pit bulls that stated that people that fight them wait until they are 1-1/2 to 2 years old when they "click on." Up to that time they are sometimes gentle and loving but that age is about when the aggressive nature that makes them such good fighters comes out. I had a roomate once who raised pit bulls and he said the true pits were bread to kill other dogs but any who showed aggression to humans was put down. His claim was that poor breeding was responsible for attacks on humans. I find it hard to believe that the dogs can differentiate with such widely disparate behaviors.
I watched a TV program on pit bulls that stated that people that fight them wait until they are 1-1/2 to 2 years old when they "click on." Up to that time they are sometimes gentle and loving but that age is about when the aggressive nature that makes them such good fighters comes out. I had a roomate once who raised pit bulls and he said the true pits were bread to kill other dogs but any who showed aggression to humans was put down. His claim was that poor breeding was responsible for attacks on humans. I find it hard to believe that the dogs can differentiate with such widely disparate behaviors.
Aikibiker
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Welcome to the family. Can I be Gomez? Oh well I guess I am more of a Fester, before I cut off the ponytail I could have passed for cousin It.
On a more serious note. Dogs are are a tough self defense problem and something that comes up from time to time here and on other forums. You did much better then a lot of people. I salute your ability while I mourn your need to use it.
justice4all
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I've said it many times, I CCW more because of dogs than because of people. The only time I ever had to pull a gun and point it at a target was when a pit bull and another dog started circling me and my wife while we were taking a walk around the neighborhood. Fortunately, the dogs realized I was tougher than them, and they ran off.
spacemanspiff
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were the rounds fired recovered from the dog? good expansion?
Vasilia Zhietzev
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spaceman spiff:
I have two words in response to your last comment: utterly tactless.
You show an appalling lack of common sense when asking if I recovered rounds from a dead animal.
With comments like that, I find it hard to take anything you say from now on with any seriousness. If you are looking for a fight, to sow discord, to start a flame war, or to upset me to the point of behaving like an ass, you won't find it here.
See ya.
I have two words in response to your last comment: utterly tactless.
You show an appalling lack of common sense when asking if I recovered rounds from a dead animal.
With comments like that, I find it hard to take anything you say from now on with any seriousness. If you are looking for a fight, to sow discord, to start a flame war, or to upset me to the point of behaving like an ass, you won't find it here.
See ya.
spacemanspiff
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ummmmm....... okay.....
whatever.....
whatever.....
sargirl,
It's very common for hunters to recover bullets and evaluate there expansion and material retention. On this board/circle of shooters that question is very common.
Now given the experience you went through I can understand where you are coming from; however I don't think spacemanspiff was starting anything, just looking for info.
It's very common for hunters to recover bullets and evaluate there expansion and material retention. On this board/circle of shooters that question is very common.
Now given the experience you went through I can understand where you are coming from; however I don't think spacemanspiff was starting anything, just looking for info.
20cows
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spacemanspiff,
She supplied some pretty detailed info here. A probable one shot stop and an insurance back-up with a .40 S&W. She made good choices followed up with good action.
Sargirl,
Please forgive the male lack of sensitivity. In other situations, his question might not be considered out of line on a board of this type. He really meant no offense. (Spiff, this would be a good time for an apology, as a gentleman).
She supplied some pretty detailed info here. A probable one shot stop and an insurance back-up with a .40 S&W. She made good choices followed up with good action.
Sargirl,
Please forgive the male lack of sensitivity. In other situations, his question might not be considered out of line on a board of this type. He really meant no offense. (Spiff, this would be a good time for an apology, as a gentleman).
spacemanspiff
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yeah it would be.
spacemantoobadi'mnogentlemanspiff
spacemantoobadi'mnogentlemanspiff
Omni04
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Great job with the self defense sargirl. Is a handgun your only weapon you carry (didn't know if you carried a knife). Also have you had any formal defense training or was the whole situation just instinct?
(please forgive me if these are too invasive)
(please forgive me if these are too invasive)
P95Carry
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sargirl - let me also add - I took Spiffy's question as natural THR ballistics curiosity - no more!
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"spacemantoobadi'mnogentlemanspiff"
Yup. Agreed. Accepted.
Now: It puts the dead dog away or it gets the hose again.
Yup. Agreed. Accepted.
Now: It puts the dead dog away or it gets the hose again.
Flashpoint
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Sargirl
I'm glad to see that you faired so well, as I'm sure you're well aware, it could have came out a lot worse.
Your story needs to be sent into the"armed citizen" section of American Rifleman. Thank you for submiting it, I sure it will go a long ways in showing the marits of arming ones self.
BTW - despite the stress in your eyes, I can see that they otherwise normally sparkle, it's good to have you on board.
I'm glad to see that you faired so well, as I'm sure you're well aware, it could have came out a lot worse.
Your story needs to be sent into the"armed citizen" section of American Rifleman. Thank you for submiting it, I sure it will go a long ways in showing the marits of arming ones self.
BTW - despite the stress in your eyes, I can see that they otherwise normally sparkle, it's good to have you on board.
Good to hear you faired well in the situation. I'm curious about how you got to be there with the dog. Were you checking on it for your friend since they were in the hospital and couldn't do it? Even though you knew the dog maybe it thought you were an intruder since the owner wasn't there?
"I were getting into our truck, the dog began to bark at a boy that was walking down the sidewalk. She did not attack the boy, but she wouldn't leave him alone. At one point, she tried to grab the boy's shoe with her mouth, although it was clear that she wasn't, as yet, trying to aggresively bite him or attack him. What bothers me about the whole incident is that she could've changed her mind in an instant, and there wasn't anything that any of us could've done about it."
Nothing to do with it being a pit. My cocker spaniel/terrier mix would do that too.
NOT trying to start up the usual Pitt debates that flare up in threads like these.
"I were getting into our truck, the dog began to bark at a boy that was walking down the sidewalk. She did not attack the boy, but she wouldn't leave him alone. At one point, she tried to grab the boy's shoe with her mouth, although it was clear that she wasn't, as yet, trying to aggresively bite him or attack him. What bothers me about the whole incident is that she could've changed her mind in an instant, and there wasn't anything that any of us could've done about it."
Nothing to do with it being a pit. My cocker spaniel/terrier mix would do that too.
NOT trying to start up the usual Pitt debates that flare up in threads like these.
Glad you're ok
Boy I worry about my ex-girlfriend. She has a great dane, which out weighs her. The young lady I'm seeing now, is a different matter. She know I carry, and isn't too happy about it. I do understand her issues.
She grew up around firearms, and used to shoot herself. You see, her father was a LEO, but her older brother use his dad's weapon to kill himself. She has never touched a firearm since.
If anybody has any ideas on how I can make her more at ease, I'd sure appreciate it.
Boy I worry about my ex-girlfriend. She has a great dane, which out weighs her. The young lady I'm seeing now, is a different matter. She know I carry, and isn't too happy about it. I do understand her issues.
She grew up around firearms, and used to shoot herself. You see, her father was a LEO, but her older brother use his dad's weapon to kill himself. She has never touched a firearm since.
If anybody has any ideas on how I can make her more at ease, I'd sure appreciate it.
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