The grip on my cut-down Taurus 85 worked well; though tiny it allowed me to control the gen very well, even with +P loads. But it has an Achilles Heel- it is difficult to deploy the gun quickly from the holster. It took a bit of working around to get my hand properly positioned. It was time for a change... I came up with this Bocote wood grip as an alternative. I wanted something easy and intuitive to grab, and after some fussing around I arrived at this shape. It looks weird as hell but it works- it's very easy to get a proper hold on the gun, and it points naturally. The question is, 'How is it to shoot?' As it turns out- it's good. I can maintain a secure grip, no shifting between shots so follow up shots come quickly and accurately. If it's weird and it works... Yeah, OK. It's still weird. PS- apparently there is a similar grip for a full-sized J-frame. It's also weird.