D.B. Cooper
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I do not entertain hypotheticals. The world as it is is vexing enough. (Col. Stonehill. True Grit)
If the NFA went away, what would you get?
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I do not entertain hypotheticals. The world as it is is vexing enough. (Col. Stonehill. True Grit)
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Still makes it a LOT cheaper than a dragster per second of use.
Yeah, I can’t tell you how many Hornady LNL’s I have bought and sold just for the UPC. I could get them at cost so I wasn’t loosing any money and back them they were giving 1000 bullets for the UPC and shipping. I bet I have one of the few beltfed’s thats diet consists of 150gn JSP’s.
In any case at < $15/1000 makes them the cheapest .308 projectiles I have except for my cast ones.
If I had to buy ammo from stores even the SMG’s would be too expensive to feed these days.
As many have said, a few more suppressors. A regular stock for my CZ Scorpion EVO pistol.
I would also get a 22LR full auto for a plinker. I am sure plenty of different ones would show up, on the market, to choose from. Why 22LR? because that way I would feel that I would afford to shoot it.
Probably something completely impractical like this:
Note, this is a 22lr, not an original. The 22 version is more appealing to me.
Yes, I am aware that, if one just wants to knock some cans around, there are full-auto bb guns. As it stands, I essentially do that in my garage with an airsoft rifle.
I would also get a 22LR full auto for a plinker. I am sure plenty of different ones would show up, on the market, to choose from. Why 22LR? because that way I would feel that I would afford to shoot it.
Probably something completely impractical like this:
Note, this is a 22lr, not an original. The 22 version is more appealing to me.
Yes, I am aware that, if one just wants to knock some cans around, there are full-auto bb guns. As it stands, I essentially do that in my garage with an airsoft rifle.
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AlexanderA
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I owned one for a number of years, and finally got rid of it when I did some downsizing. I now regret selling it, but only for economic reasons. Inherently, as a gun, the BAR is overrated.
(1) Limited mag capacity.
(2) Tendency to overheat. No changeable barrel.
(3) Awkward and heavy. The bipod is really needed, but makes it even more awkward.
Eventually I replaced it with two semiautomatic versions. Actually, the BAR makes as much sense as a semi as it does in FA. (There was even a proposal within the Army, after WW1, to issue it as semi only. That was before the Garand was developed.) But, a semi BAR will still set you back $4,000.
AlexanderA
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Ideally, yes, abolish the NFA. But, practically, that's not going to happen.
However, there is a glimmer of a chance to repeal the Hughes Amendment (allowing new FAs). This could happen only under the cover of a wholesale change in the NFA --- such as the one being proposed now to bring semiautomatics under its purview.
AlexanderA
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I had an M1928A1 Thompson. That's another one I got rid of in my downsizing. (Bought it for $950, inc. tax, and sold it for $1,250. It would be worth $25,000 today.)What would I get?
Take a gander at my avatar, and take a wild guess!!!!!
This is the iconic FA. In fact it's the first FA I ever got. But, it wears thin after a while. Too heavy for what it is.
It may say something that I kept the "ugly" M3 Greasegun after selling the Thompson.
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I've handled but never fired real FA 1928s. The avatar is a dummy made from a aluminum billed cnced to resemble the Thompson upper, and the rest are parts from a real 1928. Plus, I purchased one of the Kahr neutered semiauto "carbines" (
) just for range toy cool factor (this is the M1A1 style as in "Band of Brothers," and "Saving Private Ryan"). I really agree with you on the gun's .... "qualities" plus it really isn't very ergonomic, it's a bit difficult for me to hold and use in a proper "rifle" stance, it's what I call "clunky."As a friend told me, the Tommygun was the first of its type; it's bound to be less than what modern SMGs have evolved into. And I have to say he was right.
But, I've had a sort of soft spot, you might say, for the military style Tommy Gun since the early 1960s watching Vic Morrow playing Sergeant Saunders in the old tv series COMBAT! I enjoy that series even today on DVD.
If it's M3 Greasegun action you like, on DVD, check out actor William Reynolds in the 1960s tv series THE GALLANT MEN. It's also a very well made WW2 show that aired on the same network, which unfortunatly doomed it to one season as said network didn't feel it needed two WW2 series.
Elkins45
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Full auto trigger pack for 10/22. A noisemaker I could actually afford to shoot. Repealing NFA wouldn’t lower ammo costs.
CapnMac
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Some make more sense than others. M3, uzi, P90, all make more sense with factory-length barrels rather than 16" "carbine" barrels.
Best reason for SBR is to reduce the length by the amount the suppressor can will lengthen it by.
But, that's just my 2¢ on it.
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I've always been an admirer of the BAR. I took a look a those semi auto versions from Ohio Ordnance. Steep cost of entry but doable with a good savings plan and some financial discipline. I dropped the plan because a.) they're not collectible and b.) as a shooter, you'r right-they don't make sense. You can basically do the same thing (shoot a 150 grn 30 cal projectile with a 20 round magazine) with an M1A for 1/4 of the cost.
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I floated this idea recently in a different thread. Biden/Harris are not fools and they're highly intelligent. They're not going to craft a gun law in such a manner that it would reopen the registry to the point that new full auto guns would become available.
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Biden has said too many foolish things for me to consider him "highly intelligent." Harris is just a socialist mymidon.
But, it is true that no one is going to reopen the registry ~ ~ ~ ~ for any type of NFA gun.
cslinger
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Into debt.
AlexanderA
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I have two "dummy" M1928A1's built on Richardson receivers. If you're not familiar with this product, Doug Richardson machines an exact copy of the original, out of steel, but leaves about 2-3" of the bolt channel solid. This makes it a "non-gun" in the same way as an "80%" AR lower. All the original markings (patent dates, etc.) are engraved on it. If the Hughes Amendment is ever repealed, I would Form 1 these immediately. BTW, a Richardson receiver runs about $2,000 not counting the parts required to complete it. And Doug is almost totally blind, and in his 80's, so he's not making many these days.
One of my Thompsons resides in a violin case and the other in a repro FBI case.
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AlexanderA
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First of all, no gun control plan is going to make headway in the Senate, even if the Democrats somehow capture both seats in Georgia. Therefore, the Biden plan to bring semiautomatics under the NFA is dead on arrival. And he knows it, so this is mere electoral rhetoric.
That being said, stranger things have happened. (For example, the way the original Hughes Amendment was sneaked into FOPA.) If, at some point down the road (several election cycles from now), the plan to broaden the NFA gains traction, all bets are off. This thing would be so massive that a little clause deleting 18 U.S.C. 922(o) could easily be overlooked. Or be used as a bargaining chip.
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I'm glad you're so positive and chipper. I can't follow you down that path.
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AlexanderA
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I just got yet another email solicitation from the Giffords campaign against "gun violence." It's telling that they don't mention the Biden NFA plan, instead focusing on nationwide universal background checks. By cutting back on their demands, even they are realizing that gun control is going nowhere this year. They, like the rest of the antigun movement, are in a holding pattern. Bloomberg, in particular, had abysmal results from the millions that he spent. Gun control is obviously running contrary to the spirit of the times.
Speedo66
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Since I already have a military M-1 Carbine, a few parts are all that separate it from a M-2, so that would be my relatively inexpensive choice.
That, plus a few experiments with homemade suppressors would be fun.
That, plus a few experiments with homemade suppressors would be fun.
Buzznrose
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I really have no desire for anything full auto, but no-wait cash and carry SBR’s and Suppressors would be a plus!
AlexanderA
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There were two paths to a (as legally defined) full-auto M2 Carbine:
1. One could, as you stated, have taken an M1 Carbine and added the full-auto parts. In fact, the auto parts kit alone could have been serialized and registered as a machine gun, like an AR drop-in auto sear.
2. Or, a Carbine marked "M2" would be a machine gun, regardless of the presence of the full-auto parts. (This is because "once a machine gun, always a machine gun.")
#2 could happen because, prior to 1968, the Army didn't care how surplus Carbines were marked, as long as they were in the semiauto configuration. This is how some M2 (as marked) Carbines ended up sold to NRA members through the DCM. Years later, you would sometimes find these for sale at gun shows by their unsuspecting owners. I saw at least one of these myself on a gun show table, and pretended not to see it. The chances were 99% that the owner was naively innocent, but there was always a 1% chance that this was an ATF sting.
This is why there are probably quite a few unregistered M2 Carbines out there. When word finally got out that they were illegal, they went underground.
Sistema1927
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Ain't gonna happen, but an MP3.
Tommygunn
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I do not believe I am. Do you really expect me to take Biden seriously when he says people ought to use a double-barrel shotgun and fire into the air to scare away a criminal intruder? ? ? ? A guy who confuses his sister and wife? Not to mention other malapropisms ...
To whatever extent I do take him seriously, I fear his agenda. Both in terms of economics and social effects ---- to say nothing of the U. S. Constitution.
Of the two, Kamala Harris is clearly the one to take seriously. She has shown no signs of senile dementia and is solidly leftwing in her politics, and IMHO will probably become president when Biden is removed via the 25th amendment, or resigns. Biden is only a placeholder for her, as she could never have been elected to national office.
MP3 player. Going old school.
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