helz_mcfugly
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We lost in Iraq? did you hear that from this guy?
if you could only own one, ar15 or garand?
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C-grunt
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The only thing the M16 is losing in Iraq is weight. Those mags get lighter when your kicking @ss.
lead-inspector
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Hard Choice
It's a hard choice, but I have to vote for the AR-15 only because of the magazine. The ability to top off the rifle during an engagement lull is very important. The M-1 can be topped off but it is very awkward due to the loose rounds and enblock clip. If the choice was AR vs M-14 (m1a) I would take the extra power of 7.62.
Steve
It's a hard choice, but I have to vote for the AR-15 only because of the magazine. The ability to top off the rifle during an engagement lull is very important. The M-1 can be topped off but it is very awkward due to the loose rounds and enblock clip. If the choice was AR vs M-14 (m1a) I would take the extra power of 7.62.
Steve
n00b
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If you had to carry 800rounds of one rifle or the other in order to use on those bad guys you would go with the AR-15...
And then if you want the "extra power" you buy match ammo in 75-77 grains... and now you can shoot 1000yards with your AR too...
http://www.sniperinfo.com/showthread.php?t=7
And then if you want the "extra power" you buy match ammo in 75-77 grains... and now you can shoot 1000yards with your AR too...
http://www.sniperinfo.com/showthread.php?t=7
n00b
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And if the special forces (who can use anything they want) choose an AR platform for most misions... Who am I to say they are wrong?
Sometimes they take an M21 or similar but most of the time their carry weapon of CHOICE is an AR platform... that says alot.
Sometimes they take an M21 or similar but most of the time their carry weapon of CHOICE is an AR platform... that says alot.
CoRoMo
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+1 AR
Dozens of different uppers and hundreds of magazines.
Lost in Iraq?
Is our military imprisoned there currently awaiting concessions by our government?
Nope, I didn't think so either.
They are there today wielding complete control of that country.
How is that a loss??
Dozens of different uppers and hundreds of magazines.
Lost in Iraq?
Is our military imprisoned there currently awaiting concessions by our government?
Nope, I didn't think so either.
They are there today wielding complete control of that country.
How is that a loss??
Cerca Trova
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Have both
Garand first... Greatest generation saved the planet with it. Hold it, shoot it, feel the history.
AR-15 Next... The evolution of America's battle rifle. Capacity, accuracy and design. The fact that the gun-grabbing, bedwetting types are paralyzed with fear over the EBR is, just a plus.
Garand first... Greatest generation saved the planet with it. Hold it, shoot it, feel the history.
AR-15 Next... The evolution of America's battle rifle. Capacity, accuracy and design. The fact that the gun-grabbing, bedwetting types are paralyzed with fear over the EBR is, just a plus.
Eightball
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I voted Garand, assuming the OP meant "in one configuration", soas to keep the options "similar;" also, if I were restricted to only owning one or the other, the Garand would be a better "game getter"....because if '06 wouldn't take it out, you could then bayonet whatever it is to death, and if that doesn't work, you can always use the good ol' fashioned butt-stroke.
But, if caliber switching/only owning one "lower" for an AR is what the OP meant, I would vote for the AR.....because the ability to make it a .22 in a .223 barrel could make it really freakin' potent for any and all uses if bad things happen.
That being said, my 1942 SA Garand has some more soul to it than my RRA AR15.
But, if caliber switching/only owning one "lower" for an AR is what the OP meant, I would vote for the AR.....because the ability to make it a .22 in a .223 barrel could make it really freakin' potent for any and all uses if bad things happen.
That being said, my 1942 SA Garand has some more soul to it than my RRA AR15.
FlyinBryan
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how are they cheaper to shoot?
f8talh8red
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AR all the way
like what was said before. the high cap mags. customization. and the fact you can switch uppers. i think we know who the winner is.
AR-15 all the way
like what was said before. the high cap mags. customization. and the fact you can switch uppers. i think we know who the winner is.
AR-15 all the way
FlyinBryan
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i must inform you the poll suggests otherwise.
im all for them too though, i own one, and no garand as of yet, but that is in the works.
FlyinBryan
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hey ian, that must be a beast.
what kind of accuracy are you getting out of that bad boy?
She's hardly a beast - rather a wicked svelte piece of rifle (18 inch barrel). Haven't done much shooting since I mounted the scope (a 2-7x Burris pistol scope), but before that I was able to put 7 of 8 in a silhouette at 600 yards prone with the irons. On a bullseye she'll do a little under 2 MOA with surplus .308, which is all I would ask of her.
I call her Sekhmet.
I call her Sekhmet.
There is a big difference between the two. Is this a rifle I have to survive the wilderness with? Is this a rifle I have to survive urban combat with? Is this just a rifle to play around with on the weekends? It all changes the answer a bit. If I were relying on it to take game out in survival mode (not against people, just nature) I would go garand. Living in Ohio I can't hunt deer with a centerfire rifle so that leaves me with varmint hunting in which case I'll take the AR. If I had to go clear buildings I would pick the AR. If I was just picking up a rifle to go to the range and blast, well that would be a real tough call and I think one of each would be in order. In fact now that it gets brought up over the last 3 months I have been trying to think of a good next rifle. I have one of the two, now its time for the other. I can't think of anything better to go in the safe. I'm glad I came into this thread.
woodchuck315
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Garand. That Grizzly is gonna just get madder when you shoot .223 into him.
I have shot both, AR's are fun, but nothing at all compared to a Garand and the '06. The Garand kinda looses on capacity, but at the same time ejects the clip and all ya gotta do is slam another one down into the gun and rack the bolt...The M1A might be a better choice, .308 still better than .223
800 rounds you would be carrying in some kind of backpack, preferably external frame. Ill take 800 rounds of '06 over 800 rounds of .223. More expensive, yes, way more knockdown power.
Oh, but I do just LOVE walnut on a gun, so AR loses there. The only plastic guns I can handle owning are my Kel-tec P-11 and my ruger 22/45.
but everyone has their own opinion. Id have to say an army of Garands vs an army of AR's would stand a better chance, all things equal, ESPECIALLY in the woods, where a small tree would deflect/stop a .223 round.
Urban fighting, yea the AR would easily win...I not an urbanite however...
I have shot both, AR's are fun, but nothing at all compared to a Garand and the '06. The Garand kinda looses on capacity, but at the same time ejects the clip and all ya gotta do is slam another one down into the gun and rack the bolt...The M1A might be a better choice, .308 still better than .223
800 rounds you would be carrying in some kind of backpack, preferably external frame. Ill take 800 rounds of '06 over 800 rounds of .223. More expensive, yes, way more knockdown power.
Oh, but I do just LOVE walnut on a gun, so AR loses there. The only plastic guns I can handle owning are my Kel-tec P-11 and my ruger 22/45.
but everyone has their own opinion. Id have to say an army of Garands vs an army of AR's would stand a better chance, all things equal, ESPECIALLY in the woods, where a small tree would deflect/stop a .223 round.
Urban fighting, yea the AR would easily win...I not an urbanite however...
USSR
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I shoot at 1000 yards fairly regularly, and nobody comes to the line with a .223, 75-77 grain match ammo or otherwise.
Don
I've already given my opinion but I think I need to give more reasons why the Garand is better than the AR. 1. If you wouldn't trust it to hunt big game then why would you trust it to shoot someone that is shooting at you? 2. I have heard on many accounts of U.S. soldiers having their family send them other rifles because the M16s jam like heck. And isn't the AR basically a semi-auto M16? 3. The M1 Garand is much better looking than the AR. 4. Like many have said, "If you can see it, you can shoot it with a Garand." 5. What AR boast a lot about is range. Well what the heck is range gonna do when you are shooting .223? NOTHING! It is a pee shooter. When you are shooting long distance you want some mass to the projectile. Why else do snipers have those freakin' huge rounds? 6. I think it was John Wayne that said, "Bring enough gun." .223 is not enough gun. M1 GARAND ALL THE WAY!!!!!
UpTheIrons
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Had to go with the Garand.
If the SHTF, and all goes to pot and the gun cannot be cleaned as regularly as needed, I believe the Garand would keep running, eeven if its dirty and muddy. The AR, while a finely crafted machine, just might jam up with all that gunk and goo oozing into the tight tolerances.
So, if I have to get out and kill zombies in the hills for an extended period, I'll take the Garand -- plus, as has been said, it makes a nice CQC club!
Still, I'd like to have both on hand, and hope to, before the AWB heads our way.
If the SHTF, and all goes to pot and the gun cannot be cleaned as regularly as needed, I believe the Garand would keep running, eeven if its dirty and muddy. The AR, while a finely crafted machine, just might jam up with all that gunk and goo oozing into the tight tolerances.
So, if I have to get out and kill zombies in the hills for an extended period, I'll take the Garand -- plus, as has been said, it makes a nice CQC club!
Still, I'd like to have both on hand, and hope to, before the AWB heads our way.
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