throdgrain
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They are both good guns, but the Wingmaster feels way more classy and better finished.
The Ithaca 37 is far superior to the 870 in reliability. No stamped parts, just good machined steel stuff.
I always thought that the safety location was an advantage Mossies had over Remmies.
Army still uses (or used) 500's up until '04 at least. In fact, they bought a whole bunch of new ones to use as breachers. The blued El Cheapo pistol grip only 500's too, not the breacher model.My biggest beef with the Mossberg 500 (and I do own a couple of them) is the magazine design. You have to tear the gun apart further than a simple field strip to clean out the magazine tube. Apparently the military thought that was a problem too, because they insisted on a simpler pull-through magazine cleanout design in the contract process that resulted in the 590.
Beyond that, I'd take a 590 gladly (got one of those too) if that was what I was offered in a pinch. I would take a 500 for that matter, and be a bit more careful with it. But my hands just know an 870 and can run it without thinking, and given a choice that's what I'll pick up if I need a serious shotgun. Overall it just feels right to me in a way the Mossbergs or any other aluminum receiver pumpgun design doesn't.
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BULL - loney. The 37 is a lot more prone to failure than a Wingmaster. It has to have all those tight tolerances to work well. The 870 was the first of the new generation guns that do not need all those tight tolerances to function. 870s rang up hundreds of thousands of rounds on the trap fields before the O/U fad struck, and before the 1100 arrived they were fairly popular even for skeet. 37s handled well, but they quickly fell out of favor for high volume shooting.The Ithaca 37 is far superior to the 870 in reliability. No stamped parts, just good machined steel stuff.
BULL - loney. The 37 is a lot more prone to failure than a Wingmaster. It has to have all those tight tolerances to work well. The 870 was the first of the new generation guns that do not need all those tight tolerances to function. 870s rang up hundreds of thousands of rounds on the trap fields before the O/U fad struck, and before the 1100 arrived they were fairly popular even for skeet. 37s handled well, but they quickly fell out of favor for high volume shooting.
I know there are a lot of people who swoon over "hand built", but I'm not one of them. As long as the end result suits me, I have nothing against properly stamped parts or CNC machining.
Let's contrast... I wanted to get a shotgun and realized the Mossberg 500 was a cheaper gun that did everything the 870 did at a lower cost. I steer people towards the 500's because IMHO it's an easier gun to strip and clean and it costs less. As far as pistols go, every pistol I shoot I like better than the Glock.
I just personally prefer the older WingMasters. Smooth as glass comes to mind when I use one. Needless to say I prefer the used market to pick up my guns.