The Grand Canyon Railway.
http://www.thetrain.com/index.cfm
Its a beautiful vacation package: train ride from Williams, AZ into Grand Canyon National Park, overnight in the Grand Canyon Railway Hotel, and a ride back.
Of course, the do not allow you to transport firearms (or any other weapon, see below) even though legal if done properly. You have 3 choices: 1. dont bring a gun at all, 2. leave it in your car, unattended overnight in the lot in Williams; or 3. the response I got in the email below:
My email to them (excerpts*):
Dear Ms. Gearhart, and/or Sir or Ma’am at Grand Canyon Railway:
I am planning a vacation to your facility and the “Rails to the Rim” package.
What is your procedure for transporting special items on the train?
I will have traveled with a firearm and do not want to leave it in my vehicle in your parking lot overnight while on board the Railway; which would expose both you and I to potential liability and/or theft.
Since it is legal to transport a firearm (* see below) through Grand Canyon National Park, in what manner does a firearm have to be stored for transport in checked baggage on your Railway?
Below is a reference to the legality of carrying a firearm in National Parks. In summary, the firearm must be unloaded and disassembled so as to be inoperable in order to be legally posessed or transported by vehicle through the park.
Since, Code of Federal Regulations stipulates a requirement of rendering the firearm inoperable, if I would place the disassembled and unloaded firearm in a locked case and in checked baggage (i.e. inoperable and not on my person), would that satisfy your requirements to transport the item by rail?
Please respond at your earliest convenience.
Sincerely,
(cpileri)
(*) Reference: 36 CFR Ch2.4, subsection 3:
“TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY
CHAPTER I--NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
PART 2--RESOURCE PROTECTION, PUBLIC USE AND RECREATION…
Sec. 2.4 Weapons, traps and nets…
(3) Traps, nets and unloaded weapons may be possessed within a
temporary lodging or mechanical mode of conveyance when such implements
are rendered temporarily inoperable or are packed, cased or stored in a
manner that will prevent their ready use….”
and their response:
Hi (cpileri**),
Thanks for your e-mail! I've checked with our trainmaster regarding policies on weapons aboard the train and transporting weapons to and from the canyon. We do not allow any weapons aboard the train - whether dismantled or not.
He understands your concern with leaving the item in your car, and has advised that you check the weapon in with the Williams Police Department for safe keeping while you're en route and at the Grand Canyon. You can reach the Williams Police Department at (928) 635-4461.
Thank you again for checking with us prior to travel. Please let me know if I can provide any additional assistance.
Regards,
Heather
Heather J. Gearhart
Public Relations Manager
Grand Canyon Railway
1201 West Route 66, Ste 200
Flagstaff, AZ 86001
928-773-1976 x2278
928-773-8555 fax
[email protected]
www.thetrain.com
Our Mission: To provide our valued guests with fond memories of their Grand Canyon experience - the destination, the historic journey and the people they meet along the way.
Here: ask them yourself:
[email protected], [email protected]
I don't mean to ruin their business by alerting fellow THRers who may CCW, but... well, yes I do.
C-
(*): excerpts had to do with quoting the TSA regs, etc. Nothing substantive was ommitted from what I posted above. C-
(**): And they used my first name in their reply, which I find rude from complete strangers unless I introduce myself that way, which I didn't, or have given permission. Just a pet peeve of mine. C-
http://www.thetrain.com/index.cfm
Its a beautiful vacation package: train ride from Williams, AZ into Grand Canyon National Park, overnight in the Grand Canyon Railway Hotel, and a ride back.
Of course, the do not allow you to transport firearms (or any other weapon, see below) even though legal if done properly. You have 3 choices: 1. dont bring a gun at all, 2. leave it in your car, unattended overnight in the lot in Williams; or 3. the response I got in the email below:
My email to them (excerpts*):
Dear Ms. Gearhart, and/or Sir or Ma’am at Grand Canyon Railway:
I am planning a vacation to your facility and the “Rails to the Rim” package.
What is your procedure for transporting special items on the train?
I will have traveled with a firearm and do not want to leave it in my vehicle in your parking lot overnight while on board the Railway; which would expose both you and I to potential liability and/or theft.
Since it is legal to transport a firearm (* see below) through Grand Canyon National Park, in what manner does a firearm have to be stored for transport in checked baggage on your Railway?
Below is a reference to the legality of carrying a firearm in National Parks. In summary, the firearm must be unloaded and disassembled so as to be inoperable in order to be legally posessed or transported by vehicle through the park.
Since, Code of Federal Regulations stipulates a requirement of rendering the firearm inoperable, if I would place the disassembled and unloaded firearm in a locked case and in checked baggage (i.e. inoperable and not on my person), would that satisfy your requirements to transport the item by rail?
Please respond at your earliest convenience.
Sincerely,
(cpileri)
(*) Reference: 36 CFR Ch2.4, subsection 3:
“TITLE 36--PARKS, FORESTS, AND PUBLIC PROPERTY
CHAPTER I--NATIONAL PARK SERVICE, DEPARTMENT OF THE INTERIOR
PART 2--RESOURCE PROTECTION, PUBLIC USE AND RECREATION…
Sec. 2.4 Weapons, traps and nets…
(3) Traps, nets and unloaded weapons may be possessed within a
temporary lodging or mechanical mode of conveyance when such implements
are rendered temporarily inoperable or are packed, cased or stored in a
manner that will prevent their ready use….”
and their response:
Hi (cpileri**),
Thanks for your e-mail! I've checked with our trainmaster regarding policies on weapons aboard the train and transporting weapons to and from the canyon. We do not allow any weapons aboard the train - whether dismantled or not.
He understands your concern with leaving the item in your car, and has advised that you check the weapon in with the Williams Police Department for safe keeping while you're en route and at the Grand Canyon. You can reach the Williams Police Department at (928) 635-4461.
Thank you again for checking with us prior to travel. Please let me know if I can provide any additional assistance.
Regards,
Heather
Heather J. Gearhart
Public Relations Manager
Grand Canyon Railway
1201 West Route 66, Ste 200
Flagstaff, AZ 86001
928-773-1976 x2278
928-773-8555 fax
[email protected]
www.thetrain.com
Our Mission: To provide our valued guests with fond memories of their Grand Canyon experience - the destination, the historic journey and the people they meet along the way.
Here: ask them yourself:
[email protected], [email protected]
I don't mean to ruin their business by alerting fellow THRers who may CCW, but... well, yes I do.
C-
(*): excerpts had to do with quoting the TSA regs, etc. Nothing substantive was ommitted from what I posted above. C-
(**): And they used my first name in their reply, which I find rude from complete strangers unless I introduce myself that way, which I didn't, or have given permission. Just a pet peeve of mine. C-